I reside in a Western country yes. Does not make me a "westerner" in how you might think a "westerner" is. There's no cherry picking going on here and God allows mankind to rule himself for the last 6000+ years. What man does with that rulership is not caused by God. Therefore, if God was stepping in right now, there would not be child slavery or any other form of slavery as such. In fact, you and I would not be having THIS discussion. You might be surprised how much of the Bible we do know, considering we study EVERY part of it. All 66 books. Col
I think a westerner is anyone who lives in a western country... So you kinda shot yourself in ther foot there. You admit that the bible (god) does condone slavery though, Right? Or have you conviniently forgotten it...
ooohh....I am a westerner.....yippee....so what? isn't anyone allowed to reside in the West?? If you are quoting slavery in the old testament you are completely out of context. That is history. AGAIN, man is ruling man. Not God. Move on from this point. He allowed it to happen yes. Much like the wars, murders, rapes, diseases etcc.... There's no difference. You are going in the direction of labeling God as the cause of these things. I have already expressed "my thoughts" on this earlier. Not going there again because you don't listen.
I wasn't saying it was an achievement. I was saying it's typically what Christians are. So i was right. I see, The old testament wasn't the word of god... See what i mean about cherry picking. You don't believe that slavery is ok, so when the bible says it is ok you call it "out of context" and "history". You are a fraud, You have pretend beliefs. You do know that in Matthew 5:17-18 he says to follow the "law" of the old testament, Right? In fact Jesus had come to "fulfill" the laws of the old testament. He said the law would remain intact and should be followed until the end of the world... But don't worry about what it actually says just cherry pick whatever parts you feel comfortable believing. By the way, Any other atheist should remember that verse next time a phony christian decides to ignore the word of god simply because it's in the old testament. According to Jesus, Ya know, Your lord, The laws of the old testament should be followed.
Ahhhh....so you do now SOME verses from the Bible. Well, then if you know that verse then you would understand what these verses mean: Galatians 3:19, 24 - "Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; and it was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator". "Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. " Hebrews 10:1-2 - "For since the Law has a shadow of the good things to come, but not the very substance of the things, [men] can never with the same sacrifices from year to year which they offer continually make those who approach perfect. Otherwise, would the [sacrifices] not have stopped being offered, because those rendering sacred service who had been cleansed once for all time would have no consciousness of sins anymore?" The apostle Paul made the pint that Jesus' new covenant replaces the Mosaic Law (in the Old Testament). Yes, we respect the commandments of the law in regards to how we treat each other, to abstain from certain things and so on. Therefore, slavery wen on back then and was widely accepted in society. I am not saying it didn't exist or saying that it wasn't OK back then. I am saying it is not accepted now. Why? Because it contravenes the new covenant that Jesus made as it says in the scriptures. To quote Matthew 5:17-18, it says "Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; 18 for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place". This means he came to fulfill the prophecies that were told about his coming and to respect the the Mosaic Law. There were laws in the Old Testament about how slaves were to be looked after and treated. God’s Law stated that kidnapping and selling a human was punishable by death. Guidelines were provided to protect slaves. For example, a slave who was maimed by his master would be set free. If a slave died because his master beat him, the master could be punished with death. Women captives could become slaves, or they could be taken as wives. But they were not to be used for mere sexual gratification. The gist of the Law must have led righthearted Israelites to treat slaves with respect and kindness, as if these were hired laborers.—Exodus 20:10; 21:12, 16, 26, 27; Leviticus 22:10, 11; Deuteronomy 21:10-14. There you go. All in my own words. Happy now?
lmao how the hell can you claim that post is in your words? You are delusional. Like a say though, Cherry picking, A lot of other "Christians" use the same verses to prove that the old testament should still be followed. Perhaps you should all get together and decide exactly what it is "Christians" are supposed to believe, you don't seem to be able to agree amongst yourselves Look at it very carefully. "Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; 18 for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place". One letter of the law. It's pitiful how you intentionally misinterpret something that is as plain as day just to defend your decision to cherry pick the word of your "lord".
So, according to you. Everything in the Bible is completely literal and no reasoning should be entered into huh? and you are calling me delusional? OK. Let's get serious here. You gotta take this verse into its correct context. Question. What was Jesus saying here and why did he say this? Firstly, he said "sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means". He knew that the heavens and the earth will never pass away. It's the same as Jesus saying "It is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God". Does this mean a camel can get through a needle's eye? Of course not. Now, what does this really mean then if it is not literal? Well, the Mosaic Law was given to the Israelites to lead them to the Messiah, Jesus. Therefore, the Mosaic Law that Jesus was talking about was in the past. Why the past? Because he is the Messiah. He made the covenant, of which he talked about later to his apostles. You see, if you look at things in context they make more sense and more importantly, they are in harmony with the entire Bible's teachings. Many "so-called" Christians have some zany ideas of who Jesus is and where he is now and what role he is playing. If you start going along those lines of thinking you would end up in a complete mess and wondering which way was up. Everything in the Bible is placed perfectly for teaching, for reproving and setting things straight. But, you will only ever see it like that, IF you are willing to open your heart and LEARN, from a little bit of reasoning by use of the scriptures. It's such a big book man! 66 Books with nearly 1200 chapters and over 30,000 verses. It takes time to study and understand the Bible. To take a few scriptures out of context and not reference them against other scriptures, well, you ain't gonna learn a thing. This type of analyzing you are doing is far more "cherry picking" that I could ever do. Again!!! My own words. Col
Jesus is the Lord of not only christians but of the whole mandkind, on this universe. He shed his blood for us.No more we have to offer blood sacrifices ( of lamb etc), as the old testement did.Jesus has done it all.
When did Jesus say that? He did not go on the cross willingly! He was crying out "Oh Lord! Oh Lord! Why hath thou forsaken me?" And have your read this: Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."
No, According to me the whole thing is fabricated. According to you it's the word of god. But now we aren't supposed to take it literally? What kind of moron god is this? I think what you mean is that you don't want to take whats in the bible literally because it doesn't give you much room to twist the interpretation into something you feel comfortable believing. Like most people in most religions you already know what you believe, And now all you have to do is cherry pick bit's of the bible that support it. The old testament says you can have slaves. But you disagree with having slaves so you say the old testament is "history" Matthew says the laws in the old testament have to be followed. But you disagree with having slaves so you claim that isn't what he said even though it's as plain as day. You are a pretend christian. If we study what you actually believe i bet you are no more a christian that i am. You preach the bits you like and ignore the bits you don't. It's utterly fraudulent.
Well, that is your version and I commend you for persevering with it, no matter how foolish you appear. So, now you are willing to gambling about me being a proper Christian? You don't know me from a bar of soap. You are a comedian and a poor one at that. Have you not one nice thing to say? It's all been very negative from you so far. You see, we are on opposite ends of a computer. It's easy to slander people when you don't have to face them. But, I face people every day and talk to them about the Bible. Most people do not want to listen and politely say. No thanks. I walk away and thank them for their time. You, on the other hand are looking for trouble. I would be surprised if you don't regularly find it with that venomous tongue of yours. Take some advice, go have a nice cup of tea and think about what it is you are trying to achieve. Whatever it is, it's not working up to this point in time. Col
No i don't have a single nice thing to say about religion. It's divisive, primitive, dangerous, it takes advantage of the weak and then has the cheek to expect immunity from criticism for no other reason than it's someones "belief".
Well, that's your opinion and I am sure you will be sticking with it no matter what anyone else has to say. Hope you enjoy that cup of tea. May as well have a scone with it Col
Sock Puppet Optimus Prime says "Thou shalt transform. and lo, I did transform and rolled to heaven" And from heaven, Sock Puppet Prime said, "Lo, thou shalt battle decepticons lest they steal the energon of heaven" And lo, I did battle evil decepticons. And thoust energon has not been stolen.
You are more "religious" in your belief than even cheapseo is..... You claim the ignorance as your facts with pride, that alone is a terrible place to be especially if you are scientific in anyway. You are arguing with a jw that has taken apart all of your arguments without breaking a sweat since you are so sure in your ignorance. So to save face, maybe do a little research in what you are trying to say and better yet the beliefs of the person you are arguing with. Cheapseo doesn't even believe that Jesus died on a cross, yet that was in the Bible over and over and the points you are making with him you have totally been owned on. Research, research, research.... it may help you look less foolish in a debate such as this.
Actually, the Bible says it was a stake. The word "stauros" is used here. There is no reference to a cross. That's just plain "made up". Col