Hey man... that's a good idea! or we can put "Google sucks! Thanks you for trying hard to find this site since Google search is no good. You probably came here through MSN or Yahoo." in our footer pages .....
Well, I can't put "google sucks" on my professional business page. But... Perhaps I could put a "we recommend MSN & Yahoo search", and point out that google ranks our site on the 6th page when a user searches for us using our unique business name - a name we have been using for our site for ten years (and with lots of incoming links). MSN and Yahoo place us at number one - easily and correctly. The second listing on both of those engines is our "about" page. Makes perfect sense. Google has scrapper sites, pages with profiles of our business, sites that mention mine in passing, sites that list businesses like mine, forums where people mention my business, all ranked higher than our site. And finally... when google does show my homepage - it's the second of a double listing - the first page being a little pop up page with the current time that is accessed through my home page (no pr, one backlink). The second listing is my home page, with pr 6 and loads of links to it. Google's just totally farked up.
The only thing I have seen is that the cache date has moved from August Lat year to february this year for most of the pages. Some pages doesn't even exist even if it says they are caches in the SERP's. Now, most pages are still spullemental and I can't really tell if I get more or less supplemental pages. One thing I DO know, is that hits are as slow as they have been since June 27th and I don't see any changes in sight
me neither, but it won't be long before August 27th so maybe everything will go back to normal, or get screwed up even more, maybe all the pages with PR will disapear altogether
There is one thing that I REALLY do not understand with Google, and that is why they have cached pages showing up in the SERP's from August last year when there are new fresh pages out there. Do they keep everything in their servers just to show off and say ther have the biggest one? Why not replace an old cache with a new one if it's been updated? That's what I would call a dynamic index, but it seems like Google does not like when you change anything at all. A page should stay as it is and never change, then it wouldn't matter how old a cached page is, it is always the same. It seems that they can't handle any changes at all. Maybe that's why new spam pages does so well. They are new, fresh and don't have any history, i.e. cached pages. Their also says "Hey dude, this is a good site! No page in cache so I don't have to worry about cross checking. I'll just put the new page in the cache so New Page = Cache Page, and we're good!" On the other hand, Google says "Hey maaaan... here's one of these old pages again. Now I have to take this page, compare it to all the old pages I have in the cache and see if there are ay changes. Then I have to do all the calculations again to see if any words have changed, if the words are in the same spot or they have moved around. Then I have to put it all in another server to be calculated so I can show the results if some fool is using Google. Nah... that just too much work, so let's use an old cache from a certain date and if the page has changed I don't have to do s**t. The we can call it Supplemental and show it anyway...."
I am writing for the first time here. I am writing from Germany where I run a rather big online-magazine about cultural matters. It exists since 2000, we have pagerank 7. I always imagined that we are well built for Google searches, we never did very much Optimization let alone illegal things. I know that we made some faults but these are simple faults (missing descriptions etc.) which existed for years without influencing the always increasing number of visitors coming from Google. On june 27th we lost 80 percent of these visitors, and this corresponds to a loss of 50 percent of our total visits. It's a very sensible loss of income, and it will be extremely difficult to explain to our advertisement clients that our visits diminished fo 50 percent. My question is: There are so much senseless pages that are quoted above ours in google now that I am asking myself, whether Google SERPS worsened in general. I had the impression, but I was told that every looser in google has this impression. Second question: Do you know about bigger media with more than 2 or 3 million visitors per month that also lost their status in Google?
Efeu, I feel you man..... We didn't get hit on June 27th but on July 27th we did! 80 % traffic loss as well. So, to answer your question Efeu.. YES! Ugly SERPS above our sites. I am reading all these Forums about getting in Google's index in two days, yada yada yada. The real question is: How well are these people doing? Are you folks getting Top 20 rankings after June 27th??? This is the real question.... J
Well my site still hasn't recovered, this a 'kin nightmare, 3 pages indexed out of 2000 and their supplemental , however my new sites are fine ,,,,, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr im losing more faith everyday
Your in the same boat as me, 3 out of 2000 and supplemental.....shite. Hopefully there will be another update around the 27th Aug and all our pages will come back.
MobileBay, But are you getting Top 20 rankings with your new sites added after July 27th? Here is the dealio: We have a Page Rank of 6 We have no problem getting new sites listed within 3 days. The 3,000 inner sites that ranked well have fallen off a cliff. About 100 inner sites are still ranked very well (VERY VERY STRANGE) Which also leads me to believe that we don't have a Penalty. Any sites we add after July 27th doesn't even come close to ranking in the Top 20. Which means, that we are hopeless and wasting our valuable time untill Google fixes this BUG. It almost makes a White Hat Seo wanna go Black Hat SEO real quick J
I noticed a ton of spam where my site's industry is. I have legit links and I don't appear yet all these blog comment spammers rank super high for very competitive keywords. Maybe I should blog comment spam since I have lost over $8,000 or more from Google screwups and I might need to get a real job if this shi* continues.
My Yahoo and MSN rankings are fine but they don't yeild enough traffic to make it. So I am working on something better now.
You may be someone that quote is refering to. I have a little exercize for you: ..look outside your home at all the local businesses in your community....... Now let me ask a question...... how did those businesses survive since they are not online? They did not have a search engine drive free traffic to them..... So the lesson here for everyone (myself included) is not the search engines to spend yoiur time constantly after.............but learning how to reach in ones pocket ...clear the dust and lint off the money.... and spend some of it to advertise. Yes the concept seems lost to those of the Net generation but heres a clue: PAID ADVERTISING WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!
PAID advertising is what Google wants us to do. What a brilliant idea! Screw up the FREE index for a few months, make people lose income from FREE listings and then take their money from Google Paid Advertising. What a Monopoly!
I have to agree and disagree. I use paid advertizing every month, and you're right, it works. And works well. But the sites I advertize on get the majority of their traffic from the SEs. When those sites get hit, and they do, by some algo update or whatever you want to call it, then that greatly effects the return on my investment. When a site goes from page 1 in google to page 2 there is a huge (50% at least) drop in traffic. That means I see a drop in traffic. And that means a drop in sales. So in the end all traffic has to come from somewhere. And SE traffic is highly targetted traffic. It doesn't get any better. How does SE spam tie in to all of this? I've seen top quality sites get bumped to page 2 by spam sites. That's how. When a legit site is #8 or 9 in google it only takes a few spammers to knock'em back to page 2. So even buying advertising can be greatly effected by SE spammers.
JayDogs and wibr Great responses but let me push further for each If you werent reliant on the SE's to begin with ...then what they do with their free results listings would not effect your business either way.... Actually it does get better much better.....most major websites get 90% of their traffic from sources other than search engines......It does come from somewhere...other websites, blogs, e-mail, banner, contextual, & viral marketing ohh and some SE traffic as well.. While search traffic can indeed be targeted... we have found those who click paid ads are in "buy" mind, as opposed to those who click organic results with "research" mind. You could place advertisements on sites very related to yours and drive converting traffic at or above the conversion rates you find from a user search query.