I think I know what happenes AFTER June 27th... Not ony my site and other site mentioned here at DP but amazon.com also disappeared that day from Google! Read this: http://battellemedia.com/archives/002675.php
After checking my stats, it seems that google changed back results to what they were before Dec 27th. Why? Who knows???
They've always done that. Big sites backed by big corporations will always get their way first. I fear it's the future of the web. Not just in SE inclusion or "fixes" but in everything. When CNN, NYTimes, Amazon, etc contact google with a complaint you can be damn sure they get a response. While we, the little guys, are lucky to get an automated pile of BS.
and I was too fast submitting my post yesterday so half of it was never posted, but I was going to say that Google had to spider 335,000,000 pages that amazon.com has... I don't any of their pages being supplemental, and their cached pages are brand new!! That's what money gets you! Don't know how much money google makes on amazon.com but's probably not much, but all adsense publishers makes google tons of money every second, but it seems like they don't care! I hope Googles quartely accounting drops with 90% just like our sites have! That'll teach them!!
It's been 3 weeks now since June 27th and I don't see any positive changes at all so I am thinking that this is what we have to live with. Google did something and they are not going to change anything, so I guess this is it! Now we have to try to figure out WTH went wrong and change wharever we can come up with that we THINK is wrong or how Google wants it until next big screwup from Google!
have you ever resolved what happened on the 27th? I only had a few pages drop, but the commonality between those were that they were seasonal pages that I haven't touched a while (christmas mainly) so I think it may have something to do with unaltered pages falling a little bit. I haven't really paid too much attention though as changes (for me) have been generally positive.
I'm still waiting for a return of my pages that crashed in the index on the 27th, was ranking page 1 for several keywords , the only common thing I've been able to extract from it all, is that pages I have deep links to via articles on ezinearticles, searchwarp, etc have dropped in rank. Other internal pages that I have not got around to linking to via articles yet, did not move in the serps. The only good thing to come of the serp drop is that Google has made me think outside of the square when it comes to getting traffic.
were the pages that you linked to linked from article spam (the same article submitted to lots of different sites) or did you write unique articles for each site you submitted to (be honest here). I think that may account for some of it. I have lots of articles on search warp too, but those are totally unique and those keywords stayed the same or improved.
As for me I think that there were/sre several reasons and the main thing, I think!!, is that I had started dividing my advertisers into subfolders and google must have thought that it was duplicated pages. Maybe??!!?? since they never answer anything. Another reason is that Google seemed to have kept the sessionid on tons and tons of pages and that might also have triggered some duplicate content?! but what do I know. The ones that I have looked at seems to have the same problem with subdomains but I am not sure about that.... Anyone else have a clue? BTW, I have mod_rewrite my whole subdomain so they don't think that it is duplicated content and I have put in code to remove the sessionid if it is a bot that visits. Hope thus will help, and if not? Guess that site is gone into the virtual world 6 years of hard work wasted! BTW, I just email my 9000 advertisers and told them to switch to live.com
For years, my personal web site ranked in the top-3 at Google for my first name "alek". No black-hat tricks, no co-op, no session ID's, no-scraped content, mostly static HTML, 301 redirect from non-www for a LONG time, etc. It currently ranks #1 at MSN and #2 at Yahoo for "alek". As of June 27th, it dropped to #39 (!) in Google for that term, along with across-the-board drops for other keywords. I've seen normal ups/downs over the years, but this was orders of magnitude different than anything I've ever seen. Still a PR7 after the most recent PR update. I own a few other domains that show no impact and use similar layout in terms of vi-generated HTML, etc. However, only www.komar.org was affected (clobbered!) by what I assume is some sort of collatoral damage from an algorithmic change by the big "G" Stuff happens and I'm not as revenue dependant on ranking high in the SERP's as many others are (although I did enjoy ranking well for my name! ;-) ... so I'm more just curious what the heck happened ... and there's no doubt in my mind that something did happen. My guess/hope (!) is that Google will eventually get sorted out. EDIT ADD: I have been using Sitemaps for a while - not a .xml file, but just to see the diagnostics/stats. No issues flagged over there - only difference is a drop in the rankings, although interestingly enough, it doesn't show the full drop - at least not yet.
I did notice your site dropped for "christmas lights" - I checked that after my christmas page dropped as well. I thought that was a little odd, but I don't know what to make of it.
Yep - it was "across-the-board drops for other keywords" - maybe Google was sending me some coal early! ;-)
That probably explains it lorien, most of the articles I have written I have submitted to multiple sites, not many though, I only submit them to 5 article sites in total. One thing that confuses me a little though, as you say you submit unique articles to Searchwarp etc, when these articles are picked up and republished elsewhere isn't this the same as submitting the article to multiple sites yourself. Or do you think googlebot can distinguish the difference between the original article submitted, and the article republished elsewhere?
I do not believe searchwarp puts their stuff on other sites. They do put up a copyscape notice on the article pages too (if you request it in your control panel). Most the others do put them out there for everyone to get. That's what makes searchwarp great, IMHO. Doing it right, you should submit unique content to searchwarp and some others that drive traffic, then syndicate a different one (or two) to sites like goarticles, etc that will appear everywhere else.
Thanks for the reply lorien, I'll look into the copyscape notice option on searchwarp, and for the moment I'll just try submitting my new articles to searchwarp alone, and see if I can fix the damage thats been done so far.
The general rule is that how ever long it to break it, it will take 3 times longer to fix it. From what I can remember Big Daddy started back in April/early May so it will probably be another 5 months before we see anything improve.
Just a hunch.... Did google downgrade links from articles and blog sites since there has been a lot of spam sites from these type of sites? Did google do something about the subdomain spamming scheme and that caused a lot of unwanted results for us? Did Google start using the session id's or have they always used that when they crawl? What is the reason for Amazon.com to disappear? Subdomains? session id's for their purchase pages? What possibly could be the reason to drop amazon.com totally with the latest update June 27th? I think that if we could find the answer to that then we'll be close to the truth of what happened!
No, I do extensive "article marketing" and did not see a drop on the 27th. A few things here and there but nothing that'd suggest a major drop. If I examined my two main drops - I'd have to say it does with syndicated content (article spam) as those 2 pages - for some reason - I did a lot more syndication with than other ones I wrote. No doubt they did. I dunno. I don't think I do a lot of subdomain stuff. If your server gives out session Id's, they;ve always appeared in SERPS. Google doesnt know what a session ID is. It is possible this is a cause of duplicate content though. It disappeared? Good. Those bastards get enough traffic EDIT - Amazon still appears #4 for my one of my big keywords. I'm at #5. I don't see where it dropped? I'm not going to examine a billion amazon pages, but that cursory glance tells me they haven't dropped?