Judge rules part of Patriot Act unconstitutional

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gworld, Sep 26, 2007.

  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #21
    No one was complaining that they couldn't prevent an attack. If you've read the 9-11 commission report, we had tons of intel, plenty of signs there was going to be an attack, and the same bureaucracy whose powers you think should be increased failed to act on the information they already had. The FBI was reporting that guys were learning to fly planes but not land them. Border authorities knew that guys on known terrorist lists were coming into the country. And nothing was done. This had nothing to do with the average American.

    And that's the real issue. Our government failed to make us safe, not our laws.

    But people believe the rhetoric, they succumb to the fear, and then they just roll over when people say, "We need to diminish your rights to make you safe. Yes we know you are not a terrorist, but we need that right anyway."

    You know who caught, tried and convicted WTC terrorists? Bill Clinton. Before there was a Patriot Act.

    Maybe it's time for people to face up to the fact that the current administration failed when it came to 9-11, just like they have failed in Afghanistan (Taliban resurgence), failed in Iraq (no Political progress) and failed in the quest to bring Bin Laden to justice (hiding in Pakistan). They keep failing, and people keep buying into the fear they promote to maintain their flawed agenda.

    I'm not sure who is worse. The guys who fail, or the guys who enable the people who fail.
     
    guerilla, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  2. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #22
    Accidental because the check and balance of judicial review has been removed.

    The American system has been refined over 200 years, it's not meant to have "accidents" caused by changes to existing legislation.
     
    guerilla, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  3. demosfen

    demosfen Peon

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    #23
    Patriot Act is unconstitutional and Constitution is unPatriotic, you just need to read them to figure it out. No need for a court decision. You can't have both. Like someone said, there is a reason they call it an Act, like in theatrical act. I saw a news story the other day about Bush calling UN to spread freedoms, what a bunch of BS
     
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  4. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #24
    People either don't understand the slippery slope argument or refuse to accept it; they are more concerned with the immediate risk, which is grossly over-exaggerated, rather than the long-term risk, which we open ourselves up to via things like the Patriot Act, slowly but surely.
     
    omgitsfletch, Sep 27, 2007 IP
  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #25
    People either don't understand the threat or refuse to accept it; they are more concerned with terrorists successfully attacking our country, because of their battered wife theories that would have others believe "we deserve it."
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #26
    Are you now as an ex-corporal and the queen of cheerleaders squad claiming that you know more about the law and the Constitution than a judge? I won't be surprised since you already mentioned that as an ex-corporal you know more than Bush and head of NSA about WMD. :rolleyes::D
     
    gworld, Sep 27, 2007 IP