John McCain's Flip Flops On Iraq

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Zibblu, Feb 5, 2008.

  1. #1
    With John McCain being coroneted as the Republican nominee by the MSM I think it's important to look more closely at him. I feel that if people really look at what he says that they will be turned off by the fact that he is anything *BUT* a "straight talker."

    The best example I've seen of this is what he he says about the Iraq war.

    John McCain's Flip Flops On Iraq.

    “I believe that the success will be fairly easy.” [CNN, 9/24/02]

    “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” [MSNBC, 1/22/03]

    “I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time.” [CNN, 9/29/02]

    “We’re not going to get into house to house fighting in Baghdad. We may have to take out buildings, but we’re not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies.” [9/29/02]

    “It was easy, it was easy. I said the military operation would be easy.” [MSNBC, 1/10/07]

    Vs.

    “The American people… were lead to believe that this would be some kind of a day on the beach which many of us, uh, fully understood from the beginning would be a very, very difficult undertaking.” [CNN, 8/22/06]

    “I Knew it was probably going to be long and hard and tough. And those that voted for it and thought that somehow it was going to be some kind of an easy task, then I’m sorry they were mistaken. Maybe they didn’t know what they were voting for.” [MSNBC 1/4/07]
     
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    This fool suffers from split personality disorder. I pity this fool!
     
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    #3
    I'm definitely not a McCain supporter, but don't act as though he is the only candidate running that has flip-flopped on that issue. I also want to point out that the "flip flop" term was used heavily in the 2004 elections. :)
     
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    #4
    So what is you point? McCain flip-flops and so do a lot of BS career politicians with the exception of a couple or one that is still in the race, Ron Paul.
     
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    It is insinuated by the OP that he is the only one in the elections today that has changed their opinions on the issue. I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of politicians that have their name in the mix to be our next President on both sides of the fence that hasn't kept the same opinion on that very topic for the last 8 years.
     
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    Like I said, there is only ONE person that has not changed his stance not in your 8yrs you say but over 30, his name is Ron Paul. Do some research on him and you will see.
     
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    I guess you are right here.
     
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    This is more than just "flip flopping" this is lying through his teeth. Very important when he advertises himself as the "straight talker." I mean he goes from saying one thing to saying the completely opposite within a very short period of time. Either he can't keep track of what he's saying or he's lying. Or both.
     
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    You're right, now that Kucinich has dropped out.
     
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    Again it's more than just changing his opinion, he is stating falsehoods about what he himself said about the war. So it's not that he went from supporting it to being against it or visa versa. It's that he is LYING about what he said.

    Really flip flopping probably isn't the best way to describe it. Lying is a more accurate description.

    "“I believe that the success will be fairly easy.”

    to

    “I Knew it was probably going to be long and hard and tough. And those that voted for it and thought that somehow it was going to be some kind of an easy task, then I’m sorry they were mistaken. Maybe they didn’t know what they were voting for.”

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    I have not seen any other example of another candidate lying this obviously on this issue, if you have evidence of such, please bring it to the table.

    It's extremely important that people realize that the candidate being touted by his campaign (and by the media) as being a "straight talker" is in fact the biggest liar of the bunch!
     
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    You are correct, I liked Kucinich, too bad the sheeple overall are blinded and brainwashed to see a really good honest candidate when he/she comes around.
     
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    guru-seo,

    I really do like Ron Paul. I don't think he is really trying to just play one side of the fence. Sadly, I don't think he stands a chance today. I also like Huckabee because I think he has a unique economic plan, though I don't think he'll ever get that pushed through, he'll probably get my vote today because he is different and I think would be a good Republican economically.
     
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    You can not apply that logic to the process though as you are doing yourself and your country an injustice and a disservice. Au contraire, you SHOULD vote for the person that you most identify with and not settle for the lesser of two evils. This is not an episode of "Survivor" this is real life, and who we elect will determine how our lives are affected, voting for the wrong person could mean the difference between life and death, poverty or prosperity, authority or liberty, respect for the Constitution or theocracy, a lot is at stake in this election year so I would honestly urge you to sincerely study the issues and the candidates in great detail and get involved.
     
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    #14
    Honestly, I can identify with both Huckabee and Ron Paul on different issues. I will never whole heartedly agree with 100% of everything someone has to say. I just think Huckabee stands a bit better chance than Ron Paul, and I would certianly rather see Huckabee in there than I would McCain. I think both Ron Paul and Huckabee would be good for the economy. It is cool to see that you are an avid supporter of his though. :)
     
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    I respect that. The problem that I have with Huckabee (to name just a couple) is that he is too religious for my taste, and some of his previous statements that he rather amend the constitution to be in 'God's standards' seem very very dangerous remarks to me. Also his record on taxes is nothing to brag about either. Might want to reconsider. What don't you like about Ron Paul?
     
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