John McCain on The View - Is he really ready to be president?

i guess you need an example
let me introduce to you
president Daniel Ortega

 

That would depend on a belief that a massive explosion in the budget deficit doesn't matter, and the social programs he cut weren't beneficial to American society as a whole.

Yes. Agreed, though I wouldn't characterize Obama's politics as believing government was the solution to "pretty much everything." If it were, he would just push for a marxist platform - for instance, no market incentives for insurance companies pursuing patient health over billables, just laws disallowing their practice. No market incentives to anything, actually - solely, government fiat. He's not a totalitarian, though there is credibility to the argument that he, like FDR, has some socialist elements in the very notion of a progressive taxation system, as you discuss below.

Agreed.

Many would disagree - many consider FDR's a failed, fascist presidency. I happen to think he was the right man, for the right time.

I'm not familiar with the specific law - did you have it?

I'm torn. I understand the reluctance of those like yourself and Grim, many others, to see any incursion on what you see as the 2nd Amendment right. On the other hand, I've walked outside with my son, to see two 7-8 year old kids literally trading their pistols in plain view, and have had to hear my wife was held up at gunpoint by a 14 year old punk on a bike, in broad daylight, while I was away teaching cops how to disarm assholes. It's out of hand. What's wrong with going after the sources these gang kids and other criminals use, to put more guns in the wrong hands?

Again, you have an argument here, that this is socialism, something that Guerilla has been strongly and consistently arguing for some time. I guess it comes down to what you believe makes for a better society. I'm of the belief that unless some basic standard of "membership" in society - healthcare, education, equal opportunity - is achieved, we live in a country that is worse for the wear. Such an empowerment just hasn't happened, historically, by voluntarism. In a word, maybe I am more elitist, and more socialist, than I've liked to admit previously, but I have long, and sadly felt, that people are too stupid, and too self-centered, to see that unless we all, to some extent, come along, to even a baseline, marginal extent, none of us can say we live in a civilized, modern polity. And because of that, we're all worse for the wear.

 

Your point had nothing, NOTHING to do with 'both parties' it had everything to do with claiming the dems had the power to change yet did nothing. Still not admitting the fact that the slim majority they carry can not over power the presidents veto I see. I wonder why?

A single senator also doesn't even closely have the power to change anything, all he/she can do is try to swing people their way. Especially a junior senator new to the senate is next to powerless.

Do you like making accusations that simply do not make any logical sense?

I am not giving Obama a free pass, I'm simply showing how out of touch with reality your posts are.



BTW is the extent of your debate skills copying and pasting from those on your side, making accusations that the facts do not cover, posting pic after pic, then when called on it accusing the person calling you on it the same thing they accused you of with no facts to back it up?

That appears to be the extent of your abilities in all honesty.

 

A final thought, which I guess I wanted to stand alone. The older I've gotten, the more I despair any philosophy or ideology will truly aid our species. I love humanity more than can be expressed in a web forum, and like all of us talking here, want nothing but a brighter tomorrow for our kids. Yet I'm also so despairing of the chasm between our promise and our performance as a species that sometimes I do feel like just retiring to a room, writing, and allowing that to be the only thing I can contribute to the maelstrom. I have no other answers.

***end of personal reflection ***

 

I told you. you just like to read your own writing

 

Pizzaman - I disagree with northpointe on a lotta things, but i suspect few here disagree that your posts serve little use that doesnt mirror monkeys tossing excrement for the sheer pleasure of watching people duck. His points are thoughtful and well spoken... yours, well, neither applies.

 

GRIM You lack any substance to your arguments and you then state your liberal opinion as fact. The bs is easy to see through.

Obama could have introduced something, anything so that his resume would at least show intuitive.

He has not been a man of action even with a majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives.

A majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives has a lot of power even with the threat of a veto. If The Dems presented bills that were for the Greater good of the citizens the Dems could garner enough votes to override the President veto.

Obama, the Dems, and the Republicans thank you for your usual free pass.

 

anything that would make you sit home in the election day and stop you from posting in support of the said monkeys is OK i guess.

 

I am not a 'liberal' so you fail there, 'do you like lying?'

Like lying again?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629

Yet again, a slight majority of which the president can easily veto, of which the president has threatened multiple times. Yet again a junior Senator with no real power in the Senate, no real sway.

If you're going to bash the guy at least do it with something that makes sense and holds some form of fact.

Still can not admit that a slim majority does not give them the power you claim. Yeah 'if' the bills presented were in line with what the Republicans wanted it could bypass a veto, nothing to do with it would be for the greater good, unless of course you think only the Republicans know what the greater good is.

Not giving anyone a free pass, showing you how factually incorrect you are is not giving anyone a free pass. Nice try attempting to take the facts off the table from you being shown to be wrong 'yet again' to simply try to claim it's a free pass.

Both suck, I've said it before and I'll say it again 'Obama and McCain'
Bash either of them, just use facts and not fiction.




BTW why didn't McCain fix all of this when the Republicans not only controlled congress but the presidency as well?

 

Umm, I did last night. Will have to look it up again. Oops. Thought I bookmarked it, maybe I did on another browser. !@#!!!

Basically enforcing a plethora of laws on the books beats passing new ones IMO. The problem lies in passing new laws to stop a problem that in fact exacerbate it by disarming only those that follow the laws. I've mentioned before that I have had an experience saving a life because I happened to have a gun handy. I'm a firm believer that 911 is neat for helping cops find the scene of a murder but a tad weak at stopping them.

[That said, hope the thing with the wife came out ok, and kudos for the work with the cops.]

The problem as I see it lies in using taxes to do wonderful things that just arent the function of government. Use my taxes to build infrastructure and defend the nation and I see a necessary thing. Use them to do social welfare projects and I think we are placing government in the role that they dont belong in.

People have started to look on the government as being responsible for every individual's happiness. Their job is to make sure we remain free to pursue it, not to guarantee or have us finance it for those that dont have it.

 

My stance is similar to a degree. I however go further, in the fact 'in my opinion' that the dangers the 2nd brings are well worth it for the protection it gives us as well.

I hold the same stance for those who were pro the Patriot Act and it's many instances of being against the constitution. If you destroy any part of our constitution on the basis of 'safety' what is the point? We have given up who we are as a nation, done nothing more than made ourselves a nation of cowards willing to give up what we stand for in order to feel safe.

The true danger which I believe our forefathers believed was a corrupt government with no chance of it's citizens fighting back.

 

Misleading again are we grim or as you say lying.

"Sponsored" does not mean he wrote it now does it Grim.

 

Ahh it does not state he did not write any of them..

So since when does 'introduce' mean 'wrote'



Give it up...

 

Great, ignore the substance in other's arguments and take that time to attack the person. Haven't you been at the wrong end of such behavior, pizzaman? - I thought you would know better.

 

I dont think we're that far apart. I will say the right to privacy has been interpreted so broadly by some that you'd think it was specifically stated in the Bill of Rights that the government couldnt check our phone records. I oppose J Edgar Hoover style checks where he effectively kept a file on anyone that pissed him off.

There absolutely needs to be checks and balances, and I'd hope there's a way to do that which doesnt involve silliness like frisking grandmothers and baby's at the airport and letting people that perfectly match the profile of the guys that declared a jihad against us pass by unchecked in the name of political correctness.

If we'd had little old white ladies in wheelchairs and armed with knitting needles fly jets into a few buildings I'd recommend we check them too whether my grandmother liked it or not. That isnt an abuse of power, that's exercising a right to self defense.

 

Do you believe none of the Patriot Act was unconstitutional? The constitution trumps 'safety' and it should.

BTW it does not specifically state you can own a hand gun in the 2nd amendment, nor does it need to. The same as it does not have to state the specifics of what the government can search and seize of your person and belongings.

 

Lost again Grim. It must be hard trying to give obama merit.

 

If I admitted not being an expert on every tenet of the Patriot Act would it be considered a refreshing change or an confession that I'm an idiot?

Either way I won't pretend I know the thing forward & backwards so it'd be a sham for me to say I can knowledgeably argue that all points of it pass that bar.

 

Really how did I lose homebiz? In the reality of your own little world I guess.



Like NPT has stated, you win on the argument of 'you're wrong because I said so'

One of these days I hope you come up with something better.

BTW if you want the actual term 'introduced'

http://obama.senate.gov/news/060312-obama_introduce_5/

You're wrong on all levels Homebiz, introduce does not equate to 'wrote' plus Obama has 'introduced' bills.



I am not trying to give Obama merit, again I do not support Obama. I however will call you on the crap 'lies' you continue to try to spout off as facts.

 

Fair enough.

Many provisions have already been ruled unconstitutional.