Enter feeder sites. One could create a nice content site that attracts natural linking and funnel the traffic to your commercial site. You can spend your money on this instead of the massive link building... should create better conversions also, and my feeling is that it is saver in the long run as it is less "manipulated" than artificial massive link building so SEs might like it more in the long run... BTW not facts just my opinion
That's a good strategy, but... 1. it takes time to develop a content site 2. the comercial keywords will have a high convertion ratio I think a good strategy for a comercial site is: 1.start with ppc to test conversions etc 2. start reciprocal linking 3. build a content site (if suitable) or write a lot of articles Reciprocal links work big time. They are just too time-consuming to develop.
And to maintain...To me, recips are a bad long term strategy as those sites built on recips need a certain amount of babysitting. They are OK for a jumpstart but thats just about the extent of it for really competitive keywords. We keep a handful of recips but they are for traffic not link popularity
This brings a good point. If you want a more stable site then do a little bit of everything. advertise link exchanges write articles press releases directory submissions buy sites / create network I have seen some top sites in Google that have 95% link exchanges. Some people swear by them........ I like them but they only account for a small part of our link building.
In supporting reciprocal links I'm not excluding any of the other methods of building traffic mentioned above. However I would like to comment on the assertion that maintaining reciprocal links is a difficult and time consumming job. We use LinksManager on all sites where we are doing serious reciprocal link building. It virtually automates the entire reciprocal link management routine. If anyone is considering using this service -- $19.95 per month -- please sign up via this link and I'll get a free month's service. http://linksmanager.com/cgi-bin/welcome.cgi?compar
I somehow feel top ranking breeds more links. Some visitors will link to top ranked websites if the content is great, not because they are top-ranked but because they just visited a good resource: The rich become richer. I wouldn't ask biggies like Hewlett Packard or Dell to establish link exchange programs in their sites if they approached me for SEO but at the same time I would insist a start-up website to do reciprocal stuff on their website (OR) if they had something really unique, I'll find out places where to ask for one-way links. If they have the money to shell out, I'll ask them to manage their own affiliate marketing: this is another way of getting one-way links if you can deftly avoid people like CJ.com and LinkShare. Amazon succeeds in this manner. Jill could have highlighted issues such as these. So it all depends on the situation. However a complete no-no to reciprocal linking is a devastating idea. Regards, Dilip Samuel
This is interesting... I had a successful site before I ever heard of seo. I think I have wasted a lot of time trying to learn seo/sem crap instead of making more tools. I think seo is really a bunch of hog wash. Make a site people want to use and everything else will take care of itself. The quicker these seo experts (ambulance chasing 21st century used car salesmen) go out of business the internet will be much better. I cant get over how much time people will spend to manipulate the search engines to rank them #1 for a term when if they would spend the same amount of time to build a useful site it would be much more profitable and stable. However it will take dedication and passion for what you do instead of for money.
Of course i cant argue against that but... i dont see it this black and white. I think it is worth to use the word "bull shit" instead of "hog wash" if that bring more SE traffic. I think it is worth it to change titles a little in order to get a little extra traffic. So, some basic stuff. I used to go for the full SEO with purchasing links, getting some cheap content etc. But i just found out that i only spend my money to keep up with things... running to stay in the same place. So switched my money to just great content. I just lauched a new site... and now ... ... well without any kind of promotion no one will find the site So PR releases and article submissions should do the initial trick (and some reciprocals)... As like the entire feeling of this thread.... i dont think it is all black and white.
I would suggest that before you make a statement like that you define what you mean, or understand, by SEO. Obviously your understanding of SEO is very different than mine. I make a substantial portion of my income from providing SEO Services for clients. In my opinion a website is richer, fuller, more useful and interesting after I have completed my SEO work.
But most SEO's And SEO services are out there to scam people. Thats what gives the industry a very bad reputation.
Just because of the actions of a few, it doesn't meand that "Most" SEO firms are out there to scam people. In fact, I resent that comment. [edit - I was going to give you a red rep for that (Which I HARDLY EVER DO), but it said I have to spread it round first]
I apologize and meant no offence to you Compar. I need to not be so broad and stereotypical. I am very new to sem/seo compared to most here. I just got back from the ses conference and... whoa... the "seo experts" there really really really left me with a horrid taste. That is where my experience of meeting any seo expert (in person)comes from.
I would disagree with that. There are some out there that give the industry a bad name but that is simply not fair to say most.
Sorry guys my comment came the wrong way here. From what I have seen in Numbers, most of these companies are there to scam people, offer shady services as SEO, charge a high price for meta tage, submit to a 1,000 engines etc. Most seo offers in freelancer site are these kind of things too. When you frequent SEO forums, and good seo blogs (as most of us do), you see most of the good stuff. But what possible customers see when the try to reach to the industry is a totally different thing. Remember most bussiness owner that would hire SEO are not tech people. hint: if you are a small bussiness owner and want to increase bussines on the web, what are the things you will search for, its not SEO but this people label their services as SEO .
Becareful......... you have three SEO companies that are active in this thread. I would think that if we scammed people it would of have been all over the forums by now.
But guys what if you are like me , too stupid and untalented to make great sites you arn't one of those people who has a few sites that are like 7 years old that 90% of you income comes from are you? Most the whole "bad reputation" stuff is just hype, I don't think seo has a real reputation yet. People just say "seo has a bad reputation" 10,000 times all over the internet, becasue its usually followed with some version of "but I am different". Its hype to help sell. you can say seo is hogwash but it makes money, real estate agents are like the ultimate hog wash in my opionion, but they arn't going anywhere.
There is only one way to settle this...arm wrestle. I figured I would save you guys some time, so the first round shook out like this: dilispam vs. Jill (someone will have to let her know) Bob (compar) vs. Shawn (digitalpoint) Oliver (SEbasic) vs. kalius
wow thats amazing, I can't imagine having one site generating over $30,000 a month, it would give me nervous condition, if the traffic was from the search engines, does your site get its visitors from the search engines?