jewish school in jerusalem hit by terrorists????

If will be a tough sell but the only solution is Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank back to Trans-Jordan of Palestine. The Palestinians that are living in refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia etc are given citizenship in the arab countries they have been born in and fully intergrated.

 

What is the point? That Israel should just ignore Hamas? You guys are a joke.

Hamas is in charge so they need to be dealt with.

The point remains, Hamas is in charge of Gaza and they ostensibly were elected by the Palestinians to a majority of the PNA. Do you suggest everyone just ignore them anyway?

 

here you go blaming again. chicken and egg
Israel is in negotiations with with Palestinians. they should make sure that lead to a possible Palestinian state that is viable. if by the time that an agreement is reached they have not joined in then the final agreement should be put to vote in both gaza and west bank. the result of this election will clearly show if a peace is available or not. heck the truth of the matter is that Israel can put her final offer on the table tomorrow and ask a vote within 6 months i am all for that.
also please note that there are parties in Israel that are against any peace with Palestinians and they also have a strong voice.

 

I agree .

 

we have tried this approach for decades now and it does not work.also why?

 

why ? explain the advantage of your plan?
i think this is a horrible idea for israel as it will most probably cause major problems within jordan and egypt the only two arab countries that are in peace with israel

 

How is pointing out Hamas' position blaming?

It is what it is. You keep blaming me for simply pointing out what Hamas openly states themselves.

As far as negotiating in spite of Hamas, that is exactly what Israel is doing right? What is your problem then? You keep demanding the parties talk peace, well Israel and Abbas are doing that.

But then there is Hamas. Why do you refuse to condemn Hamas for their blatant refusals to participate in the peace process. You challenge everyone on this forum but you refuse to say anything about the fact that one of the major parties themselves refuses to participate. Your refusal just shows that you are not being honest about the facts. Instead of just addressing that simple fact, you chose to deflect and talk about extreme Israelis. (another tactic you do, but complain about others doing). Yet, you fail to acknowledge the key difference: In Israel, the government is for peace and participating in the process. In Gaza, the government is against peace and refuses to participate in the peace process.

 

i am demanding people to support the talks. and i am demanding that they accelerate the talks and i am demanding that they stop the bickering and get to the majoe issues.

 

Jordan and Egypt can handle it. While we are at it, we can hit the Gulf Oil States up for a 100 Billion dollar 'Marshal Plan' to rebuild the economy.

 

what is the advantage?

 

What is the "major issue" according to you? It's been discussed numerous times and Arafat had his chance to sign a peace treaty numerous years ago but didn't. The well known strategy has been to perpetuate the never ending illusion of getting a peace treaty done while wearing down Israel in the process, with the million plus Jews expelled from neighboring countries becoming a forgotten item of a past lifetime.

So answer this huge problem - assume there are a good number of Palestinians who do want peace and would sign a treaty. No one doubts there are. If there is no unified Arab voice, who is going to stop these "Muslim radicals" from lobbing rockets in to Israel? Training suicide bomb squads? Educating their children and the people the Israel is a recognized country and allowing Jews to walk freely into their lands in the same fashion? Israel signs a peace treaty with Abbas but then he's powerless to stop the violence that will continue, done by "radicals." Are you telling me that the adjoining Arab countries and the Palestinians themselves are going to have their militia act with force against their own Muslim people? Take forcible action against their clerics preaching the death and destruction of Jews? Actively hunt down and eliminate Muslim terrorist organizations for the benefit of the Jews? Unfortunately, the Palestinians will have what they want but nothing will change for Israel because the ongoing violence will continue and always be the fault of "radicals." Most want to make this into a simple issue but, as you can see, it isn't at all and the middle east is a completely different culture without democracy.

 

Slinky, the problem is how do you seperate these hamas people from the regular population in gaza. If they can be isolated in this way, isreal can start forging ahead with abbas on a peace treaty. No one is saying isreal should respond to rocket attacks, but i heard over the weekend that there are now hardliners in isreal that, after the recent shooting in the school want isreal to scrap the peace talks with abbas.

I also think the palestinian people have to take a stand also with abbas and say to hamas "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, IF YOU DONT WANT PEACE THEN GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE"

 

Slinky yes , this has to happen and this would be a revolutionary step if it did. Abbas's people allready fought against hamas once if you remember and lost. Abbas and isreal need to forge ahead with peace talks and abbas should strengten his army. The palestinian people will see the advantages of living in a democracy with a growing economy as opposed to living in a cesspool neighborhood of hate and revenge.

 

you are not very well informed
arabs united has put up a peace proposal.but you ignore it
hamas has offered cease fire already but israel rejects it
here is what is wrong with your approach.israel and palestanians have to live next to each other. there is no changing that.so the question is do you think that there is a better chance for them to attack you if you are at peace or if this situation continues.wishing them not being there is not working and they are not going any where. you have to deal with this fact.
a strong democratic palestanian state is the only way for israel to live in peace.
push your government to negotiate as a partner rather than this bickering maybe it will work.the current situation is not right.

 

we are not taking a vote here. how do you come to this conclusion.it is illogical
it is up to you to show the merit of your proposal so still waiting

 

you will get the money as for the rest lets see your sales pitch

 

You're kidding right? It's easy for you to call this "revolutionary" since you aren't walking into sure death with nobody else to follow you. This isn't the movie 300.

To begin, other than the tiny country of Israel what democracy is there in the Middle East? Abbas is going to take on the entire oil producing country of Iran, to name one? Militant Muslim clerics excommunicated? Who is funding him? You think the Arafat billions are going back to the people? If the entire Israeli army can't come close to ridding the area of these militants, you think Abbas will? I haven't seen Saudi Arabia offering an exchange program for the Palestinians either. So when Abbas bravely steps forward (without the bullet proof glass) the entire Arab nations will welcome Israel with open arms and conduct free trade. Unfortunately the Kansas City Royals have a far better chance of creating a baseball dynasty than this happening, as nice as it would be.

 

It makes me laugh to hear you claim we are "uninformed" and that Hamas and the "Arabs United" are concerned about the "Strong democratic Palestinian State." Democracy is so important to the Arabs United that NONE of the Arab nations are democratic nor will they be.

The Palestinians and Jews have to live next to each other because the Arabs United have boxed the Jews into a corner after expelling them and they have nowhere else to go -- except for Alaska, which is Hamas' ultimate goal if they can't get them off the earth entirely. Mr. Pizzaman, do you know what "Hamas" means? What it stands for? The PLO? Any of the other such militant organizations? Either you're extremely ignorant or you know exactly what it means and are attempting to push more propaganda here to further the Middle Eastern "Final Solution."

 

all i see is excuses.look at northern ireland they were killing each other and hated each other. you are just the same.you can have peace.
you try to change my words i said they are united in offering israel peace and hamas has offered a cease fire. the rest you made up.
edit:the reason for this is the fact that they are worried about iranian infulence more than they are worried about palestanians.

palestanians are also a democracy a young one and they might make mistake but a democracy.
you do not like people on your side to get killed but are not willing to stop killing them not even to start a cease fire that will stop them from killing you. just about what you accuse them of doing. two ugly side of the same coin.i know i am very harsh on you but hey you hold all the cards.
mr slinky do you know that hamas was introduce or atleast nurtured by israel as opposition to secular and leftist plo.
so since it has gone according to the israeli plan then why should palestanian suffer for their action
hopefully there are enough people on both side that will make peace. you are just not one of them yet please support israeli govt effort in making peacs rather than demanding for more military action.for whatever reason they are not going away.can not wish it true