JESUS CHRIST: BOTH GOD and Man. . .Here's Why?

so in another word.
man his creation forced god to change.
and god changed because he wanted man to change
and man did not change.
so what god wanted did not come true.

so god is not god, because he wants and he can not have

 

No, not at all; What GOD intends/intended is coming to fruition (otherwise, HE wouldn't/couldn't be ALL THE GOD that HE IS). . .with or without you and me coming along on HIS MOST GRACIOUS Ride.

When GOD is done implementing and/or carrying out HIS MASTER PLAN, no one, no one, no one, ever never again will attempt to usurp HIS SOVEREIGN/SOVEREIGNTY ever again. . .and HE wants so much so to Save [all of] us as a part of HIS FOREVER, but only if we "Freely" choose HIM.

And guess what, it all documented in that same "Bible" that all "ats/ags" are trying to destroy!!!

HE ain't Changed; HE won't change; and only those of us who believe HIM, will benefit from what HE has planned for us. . .just as it is written, ". . .Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD has prepared for them that love HIM. (1Corinthians 2:9)"

 

so god is son of man and have always been son of man
so the father is also son of man.

 

Here is the story from the begining

God said what means:
33. God chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imrân above the worlds.

34. Offspring, one of the other, and God is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.

35. (Remember) when the wife of 'Imrân said: "O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services, so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing."

36. Then when she delivered her, she said: "O my Lord! I have delivered a female child," - and God knew better what she delivered, - "And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge with You (God) for her and for her offspring from Satan, the outcast."

37. So her Lord (God) accepted her with goodly acceptance. He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of Zachariya. Every time he entered Al-Mihrâb (a praying place or a private room) to (visit) her , he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! From where have you got this?" She said, "This is from God." Verily, God provides sustenance to whom He wills, without limit."

38. At that time Zachariya invoked his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant me from You, a good offspring. You are indeed the All-Hearer of invocation."

39. Then the angels called him, while he was standing in prayer in Al-Mihrâb, (saying): "God gives you glad tidings of John, confirming the Word from God, noble, keeping away from sexual relations with women, a Prophet, from among the righteous."

40. He said: "O my Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old, and my wife is barren?" God said: "Thus God does what He wills."

41. He said: "O my Lord! Make a sign for me." God said: "Your sign is that you shall not speak to mankind for three days except with signals. And remember your Lord much (by praising Him again and again), and glorify (Him) in the afternoon and in the morning."

42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Mary! Verily, God has chosen you, purified you, and chosen you above the women of the worlds."

43. O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord and prostrate yourself, and bow down along with those who bow down."

44. This is a part of the news of the unseen which We inspire you with (O Muhammad). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary; nor were you with them when they disputed.

45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Mary! Verily, God gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to God."

46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."

47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for God creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.

48. And He (God) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and wisdom (and) the Torah and the Gospel.

49. And will make him a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by God's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.

50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear God and obey me.

51. Truly! God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.

52. Then when Jesus came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in God's Cause?" the disciples said: "We are the helpers of God; we believe in God, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to God)."

53. Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger Jesus; so write us down among those who bear witness.

54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill Jesus], and God planned too. And God is the Best of the planners.

55. And (remember) when God said: "O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

56. "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

57. And as for those who believe and do righteous good deeds, God will pay them their reward in full. And God does not like the wrong-doers.

58. This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad) of the Verses and the Wise Reminder.

59. Verily, the likeness of Jesus before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.

61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [Jesus] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of God, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of God upon those who lie."

62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of Jesus], and there is no god but God (Allah). And indeed, God is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

63. And if they turn away, then surely, God is All-Aware of those who do mischief.

64. Say (O Muhammad): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (we submit to God)."

 

GOD and HIS WORD (THE ONE we now know WHO became JESUS CHRIST), has always been GOD;

Until GOD Created man[kind], JESUS CHRIST was ONLY THE WORD of GOD; and THE WORD of GOD is as much GOD as GOD IS GOD.

When man[kind] sinned against GOD (remember Adam, eating, FIRST, from the wrong "Tree")? He messed himself, and all of his descendants, up. . .but only if we choose to stay that way.

As an aside, Babies (aborted/murdered go straight to HEAVEN. . .because the innately accept as opposed to reject. . .the latter is which sends one to Hell)

So, GOD and HIS WORD [JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD of GOD], had to become what man[kind] should have been (obedient to GOD'S Command), but failed to be. . .In order to be, and teach us to become what GOD intended/intends us to be (not do. . .just be).

THE WORD of GOD had to become one of us, born like us, live like us, and yes, even die like us. . .but in order to satisfy the demands of THE MOST HOLY GOD, WHOM we, man[kind] had sinned against, HE, JESUS CHRIST, had to still be GOD (because ONLY GOD can satisfy GOD), and at the same time be man[kind] as well, because it was man[kind] that had sinned against THE MOST HOLY GOD.

GOD was not going to punish HIS SINLESS SELF, for the sin(s) of HIS sinful Creation (man[kind]). . .yet, in HIS MOST AWESOME BRILLIANCE, HE made it so that all of the man[kind] had to die for each of our individual sins against HIS MOST HOLY SELF. . .or. . . JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD of GOD, as in THE SON of GOD; aka, became The SON of Man as in THE [SINLESS] SON of Man could become our Kinsman/Redeemer.

BTW, No man can die for another man's sin(s) if he/she has sins of their own.

Now, is GOD Awesome. . .or what???

 

~ What was given was a sanctuary for man to seek redemption from their expulsion from the Garden of Eden which is the religion of the true bible and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or the Christian Bibles version based on patronage and written text. The True Bible is the Garden itself and its interpretation in seeking redemption.

~ It is the 'Gods Terms' we are seeking as they were disobeyed by the original ancestors.

 

Just to clarify something:

God wanted to create a person without father to be a big sign for the worlds, so he said to that order be, and it was.

That is why Jesus is refered to as the word of God.

Was Jesus the Tourah that is the word of God, too?

Am I this post? or I am the one who created this post?

 

JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD of GOD because, according to John 1:18, HE came forth from "the bosom of THE FATHER"; have you ever noticed that all children of parents proceed from their lower (below the waste) extremities? JESUS CHRIST came for, as THE WORD of GOD, straight from HIS FATHER'S "bosom (HIS upper extremity. . .if you will)". . .because, after all, is that not where, even, our words are. . .even before we ever utter one of them?

And yes!!!, JESUS CHRIST is The Torah, The Tanakh, and/or the Entire Old Testament.

Sadly, a lot of people don't understand the concept of "The Trinity (and even some of those who do believe the concept)" because they look first for THE PERSON, rather than THE GOD (WHO "IS SPIRIT").

GOD THE FATHER IS GOD;
GOD THE WORD IS GOD;
and GOD THE POWER IS GOD;
and there you have what Theologians refer to as THE TRINITY:

GOD THE FATHER [GOD HIMSELF];
GOD THE SON [THE WORD of GOD];
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT/GHOST [THE POWER of GOD].

We can see it in Genesis 1:3, as it is Written, "And GOD [HIMSELF] said, Let there be light [THE WORD of GOD]: and there was light [THE POWER of GOD]."

 

Please show me, Scripture, Chapter, and/or Verse in the Torah/Old Testament, the word, "religion". . .and while you're looking, you might try finding that word, "bible" as well. . .okay?

It is written, "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."

 

Jesus christ both god and man but that does not mean you are going to heaven , 144000 entries are already filled up , so start enjoying life like other people.

 

I don't know why people humour nehoodaman, or whatever it's name is, as if it's ever going to say something which isn't incoherent garbage. Living in london i meet a lot of people like him, they have usually soiled themselves and are shouting at passers by from shop doorways, but it looks like one of them has collected enough pennies to buy a computer, and more impressivly mustered the intellect to turn it on without setting fire to himself.

Isn't it odd how those who have most faith generally tend to be those with fewer marbles? Coincidence? I don't mean to be rude, necrolollipop, but you come across as being a complete fucking lunatic.

 

Too good to be true.The sociopolitical system is such that these kind of macroscopic airy-fairy, agoraphobic and anti-agnostic things can often lead to heretic hindsight which blocks you from seeing and viewing what is obvious , oblivion.

Say for instance , the molecular biotechnology is actually a synthetic biotechnological science that incorporates the specimen oriented technologies like alignment of the mitochondria and the muscular corpuscular theory that imbibed the sciences from the Osaka - Moraya perije disclosed in the autumne hivr'e. So. whats your thoughts on that ??? Do you have an explanation for that ??

 

~ Your extraction from whatever text you have drawn it from for this thread is your opinion. Ours is derived from nature, our present Garden, which is a creation for which we wish to return. It is our belief The Garden of Eden is the physical presence of God and redemption is accomplished through its understanding.

~ It is a persons final opinion that is offered to God for their judgment in the continuance of their soul. Better it be from the Garden than from a book.

 

What insures your access "to heaven", aka "everlasting life", is to acknowledge JESUS CHRIST as SAVIOR and/or LORD of your life/existence. Some of us are going to live forever, while others are going to die forever. . .but either way its your very own personal choice. All of us are bodily dying; but only some are both bodily and soul (the real you) dying; and since we were all Created and/or born to exist forever, you can either exist living. . .or you can exist FOREVER Dead/Dying. . .your choice.

Just as it is written, "I AM THE RESURRECTION (for and from the Dead), and THE LIFE (Everlasting/Eternal): he that believes in ME [THE WORD of GOD as SAVIOR and LORD], though he were [Spiritually] dead, yet shall he live [here, as in being 'born again', now, and so very much so in Eternity]: And whosoever lives and believes in ME shall never die (nor have the chance to experience dying). (John 11:25-26)"

So to answer your question, I'm as sure of Heaven as GOD'S WORD IS TRUE. If GOD is not, then I be. . .dead now, and dead. . .forever;

but, If GOD IS, and HIS WORD IS SO. . .then, I will have gained EVERYTHING, and lost absolutely nothing. . .but everlasting Death. . .and all of GOD'S STUFF, huh?

BTW, Those 144,000 don't yet, themselves, know who they are. . .and I will have been in, and about, Heaven, at least 7 years (according to Earth's calendar) before any one of them knows that they're a part of of 144,000.

 

Thank you so very much for not meaning "to be rude".

 

I actually agree with stOx in that assessment, and without meaning to be rude.

 

you started this kind of thread again ? If I am not wrong there are threads around here on this topic. (There must be your threads too )

Your own thread :

1- http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1273201
2- http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=275199

 

The most controversial and ambiguous questions of all times. very difficult to say exactly.

 

I'll rent the madison square garden for a night, put a table, two chairs and sit Nehemiah and Polite Teen for a debate about jesus. Who's up for buying tickets?

 

Jesus (IHS) of the Bible is a story and there is more evidence of the symbolism in the Bible existing (if you actually understand that magic doesn't exist) than of a physical, literal man named Jesus.

The Bible is supposed to be read as a first person of sorts where each time you read it you try to identify with the character of Jesus more. We are here to emulate his life.

I'm going to stop now; cause i could keep going...But if you want any answers, stay away from the mainstream and look deep into yourselves.

666 is your signature (hand) and your name given at birth (forehead, like a golem)

You are clay, a beast...But you are trying to forsake your lower aspects and ascend, like Jesus.

The basic truth is so simple that it drives people INSANELY mad and bewildered.

Leave these discussions to the Pharisees, go live as Jesus would want you to and do not preach but instead go out and DO; teach!