It's official Google has opened up a can of whoop ass on directories

Discussion in 'Directories' started by Dave E, Sep 2, 2007.

  1. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #621
    I can see why you would like to promote this viewpoint but you're wrong - Qryztufre has it right:

    And to the extent that gaming Google is successful, it harms anyone using the directory to find information, services, or products, and it harms webmasters for sites who aren't using dodgy "SEO" strategies.
     
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    pipes Prominent Member

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    #622
    indyguidedotinfo, absolutely, theres so much out there but it continues to stay in place and make money for allsorts.

    Qryztufre, i dont fully agree with what you mentioned but i fully respect your opinion.
     
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    #623
    hmm. I'm really confused with it.

    as for my dirs - all fine and they get plenty of traffic from SES.

    P.S. I dont put ad text links to my pages.
     
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  4. mikey1090

    mikey1090 Moderator Staff

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    #624
    Why would I? it wouldnt benefit me or the sites listed there, so why make a change that wont benefit a user...
     
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    #625
    No, but it might affect the quality of the directory in the long run... As many Googlegamers would no longer have the incentive to use it for cheap SEO results :rolleyes:

    However, I think there's nothing wrong with directories in general. They are a viable business model and no more wrong than AdSense or AdWords. There's only something wrong, if the owner tries to intentionally mislead users with PageRank tricks.
     
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    #626
    You need to get rid of your blinders. It is advertising. A lot of people visit bidding directories thru bidding directories and wind up submitting to those as well. .
     
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  7. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #627
    Correction: Almost ALL people visiting bidding directories find them through forums and other bidding directories, but that's not why they buy the links. You know it. I know it. They know it. And most importantly, Google knows it.
     
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    #628
    ... I'm not sure if you are being serious or not?
     
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    #629
    just to chime in here other sites besides directories are also being affected with deinxing http://www.webproworld.com/google-discussion-forum/62766-why-only-one-page.html
    this guy is looking for answer also
     
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    The Pheonix Banned

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    #630
    Well put but no matter how many times we say this some people just won't or can't take telling. :confused:
     
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    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #631
    Why didnt you tell me earlier minstrel that i was doing it "Just for the Link Juice" :(

    I could have saved myself a few thousand bucks from all those PR0s :p

    thx
    malcolm
     
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    #632
    No. My traffic comes from other places, yes, some comes from bid dirs and DP, but only a small percent.

    How the hell would you know? Ever owned a bid directory and watched your stats every day for 4 months? thought not....
     
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    #633
    Wow Your real smart, you asked a question then answered it yourself. :)

    I've made it pretty clear that bidding directories are a load of rubbish and I'm not on my own. If you are seriously expecting me and others to beleive that the normal member of the public would submit a site to a bidding directory in the hope it would get them sales I would say to you, talk to Minstrel, only on a professional basis, because you need pshychological counselling on the realities of life. :rolleyes:
     
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    #634
    hey place nice!
     
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    #635
    Other webmasters looking at your directory and prices. Other directory owners looking at the competition.

    I'd like to see anyone provide some evidence of any significant activity to these directories of non-webmasters looking to actually find a site to purchase services or products or to find an information site.... in other words, useful traffic.

    I could say that I get tons of traffic from Yahoo. The problem is that most of it is Slurp. It's traffic. But it's not very useful traffic.
     
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    #636
    Fair enough. But what you're talking about when you say "bidding directory" is the bidding directories on DP. Let's say someone builds a
    bidding directory for legal services or any other niche, lists sites according to what the owners bid and then markets those sites all over the internet, puts
    banners on other sites etc.
    There is a lot that can be done with that concept. You're seeing a lot of "meaningless" bidding directories and judge the concept behind them
    based on what you see on Digitalpoint.
    Not saying you are wrong, but instead of putting your focus on the negatives and what is already out there, why not look at the possibilities
    and talk about ideas to use them.

    This doesn't have to be about Google. A well marketed directory can survive without Google.
    I'm sure somebody out there will soon start something like that.
    We all know most people are here to get ideas and jump on a bandwagon that's already rolling. What I miss is the old days where creative people
    exchanged ideas, built upon and improved other people's ideas and created something unique.
    You can spend all day telling people stuff they already know (even though they are in denial). That's not the point.
    You've said yourself that Google will sort them all out eventually.
    If you don't like something, ignore it. You've said the same thing in about 100 posts. People get what you're saying.
    If you build something of value, and there are many ways to do that, then it doesn't matter what concept it's built upon. Even if it's a bidding web directory.
    If somebody builds an MFA Psychology site to also dropship valiums from the Bahamas or Costa Rica, will that make all psychology related sites spam?
     
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    #637
    While we like the idea of "sharing" it just always goes to the next extreme usaully that its incorperated in the next version of someones script that makes the origanal guy ask why did i do that? I just screwed myself as now im no longer unique as some jerkoff decided to give away my hard work for nothing or a couple bucks.

    Yes i do understand much of what he has spoken and agree on many topics that he has now "Proven without a shadow of doubt" one being "Authority status" its not any authority site but rather had enough aspects to where google deemed it had to add a few more links for it.
    BUT i agree the "Dooms Day Posting" gets redundant and bore some as NO alternatives are ever mentioned with his posts.

    The third part would and I agree that most people would start flapping thier gums at others that had no parts off what a few did but most often they are all grouped and left to hang for the crimes they never committed or where not smart enough to realize what they did..

    thx
    malcolm
     
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