Some of their spin is comedy gold. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails
Apparently the pace of the current change is also up for debate. When the people pushing the "scientific data" which supports man made client change have been caught red handed fudging their numbers, they become less credible than a Palestinian complaining of racism.
So what almighty authority made it official? I demand to see a certificate, signatures of at least 1,000 scientists who were not a part of this, and of course, Al Gore's personal apology for the "hoax". Anything less than that is not official. By the way, it's not Global Warming, it is Climate Change. CO2 levels are everything. Not temperatures. If trends keep going the way they have been (although we have surpassed carbon in the atmosphere from any time period in the past half billion years) we could be staring down the barrel of a major ice-age cataclysm, brought on faster by CO2. Or, barring an event that actually allows for that, we could be seeing totally insane variations in weather patterns, including record heat and cold. It's like giving a bi-polar girlfriend too much liquor.
The emails prove nothing except that scientists were trying to bend data in a way in which strengthens their case. This goes on with every single issue in life. If you don't have hardcore evidence, then you present what evidence you do have in the most favorable way.
I'm confused. Were you referring to Science? or Politics? I thought science was about fact finding, not presenting things in a favorable light(spinning). Clearly you are not the only person who has the two confused, and I think that is what makes these emails so scandalous.
There are a couple of branches of science where it is now based on feelings, guesses, political motivation, bribes, business profits, etc... These can be spotted by their militant attitudes and usually attack the children in schools first through cartoons, PBS shows and elementary schools. They know they don't have to convince those who are thinking, but those whose brains are easily influenced and molded by repetition and peer pressure.
~ Few creatures can affect the Garden as man - just through development and infrastructure. The scientists are proving their value over organized religion once again. Under certain circumstances humankind rates no higher than common rats on a global scale....All hail the tree huggers.
True enough. Mankind is, in fact, the problem. We do breed like rats. We do consume all the natural resources. Our very presence here is disturbing to the natural cycle of life you see in the oceans and on the savannahs. If we could just remove human kind from this planet, the planet could resume its slow cyclic entropy.
I dont think global warming is scam. Ask some people who lives in costal area in countries like Bangladesh or country like Nepal.
So what you are saying is, if these scientists don't present some data that backs up global warming, they loose their funding? Interesting.
Wow, we agree on something?!?!? Problem is you are too emotionally attached to the scientists that have allowed opinions to guide there "science" to the point where it could be called scientology or is it just an emotionally based opinionated religion that you follow.
Im emotionally attached to reality. The evidence points towards climate change which is, at very least, massively contributed to by our production of co2, and if your "opinion" disagrees, its simply because you don't understand the evidence. This is an important matter, not a trivial thing like your religion or your veiws on evolution. Your veiws on this shouldn't be held in spite of the evidence. It's time to engage your brain. because it's going to be no good in 15 years time when crops start failing and sea levels rising you sitting in your trailer happy in the knowledge that you remained ignorant, stuck to your guns, done your hardest to sabotage everyone elses efforts and maintained your "opinion" as the world fell appart around you. Sometimes you have to look at the evidence, try your hardest to understand it and admit that your initial opinion was wrong. This is one of those occasions because it's very serious. Now, if you don't want to do anything to help, that's fine; But you either need to get on board or the get fuck out of the way.
Climate change title came out of the failure of global warming. Climate change is a title that does make sense, there are many changes happening, almost everywhere I know of is getting colder again like it was in the 80's, having snow again. The poles have been warming. Climates have been changing. Bigoted, ignorant statements as usual from you. Still don't have a trailer, in fact we sold the travel trailer a couple years ago and we have our house for sale and just received an offer last night. Give me "evidence" that is scientific and not emotionally or religiously tainted. (Global warming religion included.) Give the facts, not charts flipped upside-down to make the point (yes, laughing at Al Gore's inconvenient lies) How did I sabotage anyone's efforts? Oh, I asked for truth, sorry if there are "scientists" that don't like that. Yes, I have been wrong about things and will continue to make mistakes, but I do allow for correction - you should take you own advise sometime. OOOOOHhhh..... so scary. Sorry, this man doesn't just get on every ship because it is popular. I guess that has been what has caused me problems all my life, friction with those who go with the flow. Some of us like to actually think about things and not just hop on every bandwagon that approaches or buy certain clothes to be cool.
He's like a science groupie. Its his religion, and god damn the infidel who dares to challenge a belief in the making. That applies to those within the scientific circle as well. Excommunication for any who dissent. Call them idiots who need to get the f*ck out of the way. Perhaps you missed the topic. Nobody said they fabricated global warming completely. What was said, and backed up by leaked emails, is they are fudging their numbers to make it real, even where the numbers don't substantially support it. As to motive: Now declare victory, insult me, and use the word facile while doing so!
Debunked, you have been given the evidence, the data, the statistics and the science many times. But, like with your little religion, you maintain your opinions in spite of it. Like i say, if you don't want to get on board, at least get out of the way. obamanation that makes no sense at all. Why would someone invent evidence in order to get funding to investigate something they know doesn't exist? Like all conspiracy theories, it falls apart at the slightest about of scrutiny. And don't forget, you aren't making this accusation of brazen dishonesty and fraud against a minority, you are making it against the scientific community in it's almost entirety.
Now you are arguing with the exposed emails that show these scientists themselves have no explanation for the last 10 years of cooling, and that they were augmenting their numbers to support man made global warming. The proper argumentative technique here would be to discredit the validity of the emails, though its a bit late for that, since they have already been independently verified as the real thing. Perhaps you can discredit the scientists who sent them? No that goes against global warming. What does that leave you with? Oh yeh, the usual. Everyone agrees with me, and you are wrong. I guess that argument never gets old. Oooga Boooga.
Got the popcorn ready for a good thread. It would make sense for them to smudge numbers to keep their funding. That's the primary incentive right? Moneyz.