Here goes the round earth argument. THis is so funny. The bible mentions the earth a number of times as round through descriptions. The scientists of the time thought the earth was flat and the muslims say it is the back of a turtle??? As far as the east is from the west - round buddy - ROUND the earth is round has been and well, maybe not always be... LOL
He was saying "owed" in the part about the collage you go to or went to, how well do you know this gworld anyways??
You are still crying about a year ago, I didn't run the spell check on my post and made a spelling mistake. I am not very good with typing and it happens a lot, I am sure if you look in previous posts, you can find more spelling mistakes. He probably knows me as well your skinhead buddies who were Nazi but then decided to become priests and that is the reason they are expert on history, philosophy and politics. Do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you going to post for rest of your life, Gworld had a spelling mistake in his post and I know 3 skinheads, so I am always right.
All of theory is fascinating, but it's not really the best way to go about this analysis. We have a excellent laboratory to see how the different world religions operate. And, in that laboratory, Islam has shown itself to be incompatible with the Western ideals of freedom, liberty, tolerance, and responsibility. When I say "incompatible", I don't mean that they cannot work together -- I mean that the laws, rules, teachings, and practices of Islam refuse to allow these Western liberal (in the classic meaning of the term) to exist peacefully. Gentlemen, we are in the position of defending civilization or accepting Islamic dominance of the entire globe. The Islamists have the motivation and the energy to press the attack. The real question is whether the secular civilization of the West has the vigor to defend itself. This comes back to my previous post concerning the threat of nihilism.
I would agree with you in general but it's course of action where I think we would differ in opinion. No war is going to solve this problem. What we need to do here in America to address the problem is to become energy self-reliant. I'm afraid the only thing to do with the Muslim world is to disengage from it entirely. Sad thing that in this age of information the ignorance of religion is tearing the world apart.
I'm sorry. We're talking apples and hand grenades here. Energy is unrelated to anything I have posted. Disengaging from the Islamic world is a fantasy with absolutely no possibility of becoming a reality in the modern world. What are you going to do, kick all of the Muslims off of DP? Build a really big wall?
I have you on ignore for a reason, why did I open this one? I don't know. Anyways, you still go in circles, the collage thing is a joke, it is quite funny. You trying to repeat something I said is pretty funny too, since you can't or don't read very well and then you try to keep repeating something you think I said. LOL
I mention energy because that is our primary connection to the Muslim World. You seemed somewhat articulate so I guess I expected better from you. No, obviously I'm not talking about DP or a big wall (I can't believe I even justified that comment with a reply ) Disengagement is political and economical in nature. I admit, I didn't read through all 600+ posts in this thread so I may have missed your stance. Are you an advocate for war?
Do I need to post the links to your postings that once in a time, you had skinhead friends that were pro Nazi and this makes you an expert?
I am an advocate for engagement and for defense. Only the Islamists are advocates for war. Energy is not our primary connection to the Islamic world, people are. We are all people and we are all on this planet and we have to live together. The Islamists are completely and totally unwilling to live together in peace. It is antithetical to their world plan. Disengagement is not possible today, and as technology makes the world effectively smaller, disengagement becomes even less possible. Let's take a moment of silence to accept that in one hundred years technology will have evolved to the point where any grad student in one of several hard sciences will be able to destroy all life on the planet. Now, how realistic is disengagement? How realistic is disengagement when any one of millions of Islamic terrorists can blackmail the entire population of the planet with conversion to Islam or death?
That's specifically vague. Your advocacy of "engagement and defense" and how this differs from war is nothing but a matter of semantics. Again, I agree. But this is a vast and complicated problem with no easy answer. You seem to think that military action will achieve some sort of results, and I do not agree with that.
Do you make up this BS as you go along? Do you see any Arab, African, Muslim army attacking USA or Europe? How about American Army in middle east and other parts of the world? To occupy other countries or destroy democratically elected governments and replace it by puppet dictators and when people of those countries fight against it, call it "unwilling to live in peace".
Military action is a required component of a complete plan of engagement. It would be "nice" and "comfortable" for the reality to be otherwise, and I know that you and many other people really want it to be otherwise. Unfortunately, wanting does not make it so. We all love peace. When war is forced upon us, some of us accept that objective reality and are able to function. Others cannot emotionally handle the reality of armed conflict. Unfortunately, we have no choice. Armed men are attacking civiliziation and we must either defend civilization or give in to the demands of these armed men. I, for one, would rather die than convert. I will not pay head tax. I will not live by Sharia law. I will not accept Islamic rulership. I am an athiest and Western Civilization is the best thing that has ever happened to this planet. I will not allow it to be murdered at the hands of the barbarians.
You are saying the same thing over and over. Just exactly how do you think military action is going to produce results? Who are we going to fight? An entire race? I'd like to hear the details of your military strategy.
Military force can be used: 1. To defend nation states against Islamist force. 2. To remove political systems which create conditions under which Islamist tendencies emerge. 3. To support the creation of nation-states which create conditions which prevent Islamist growth - liberty, secular law, freedom, democracy, economic opportunity, personal responsibility. 4. To protect individuals within predominantly Islamic states from oppression from other individuals, militias, or even government organizations. I'm sorry, I thought this was obvious to everyone.
More obvious stuff: Within the Muslim world, there is a huge majority of people who need to be protected from a small minority of violent Islamist terrorists. These people need to be protected to encourage change and growth in the Muslim world. What happens if Abdul says "Today, I will embrace a new thought!" Well, what happens is that Abdul is dragged behind the barn and executed by the Islamist fundamentalists. That strongly discourages change. The Muslim world will not change until people feel that it is safe to use freedoms like the freedom of expression. That will not happen as long as the small percentage of Muslims who are violent Islamist soldiers are no longer able to terrorize the populace. And, unfortunately, those people are hardened by propaganda and religion intolerance. The only way to fix those people is to kill them. I'm sorry, I know that this is not what you want to hear. I can't sugar-coat the truth for you. Some people are going to have to die so that the rest of us can live in peace.
“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth†(Isaiah 40:22). Job 26:7: “[God] ...hangeth the earth upon nothing.†And the other one I already quoted are 3 that make reference.
Little willy's military strategy is the same as the strategy in the latest special force x-box game, that is how he forms his opinion about the world and war.