Israeli's trade child murderer for bodies of two murder victims

Hamas terrorists held a press conference on Monday night claiming a victory over IDF soldiers in gunfights earlier in the day. Hamas leaders said terrorists had taught the soldiers “an unforgettable lesson.”

The terrorists displayed body parts during the press conference, claiming that the body parts belonged to Israeli soldiers who were wounded during the day. No IDF soldiers lost body parts in Gaza on Monday, and it is not clear who the body parts actually belonged to.

When body parts is mentioned 4 times in 2 sentences...
Thats the world we are living in...


From the other side...

Giant Israeli flag breaks world record for largest in world

Beneath the ancient Jewish desert strongpoint of Masada, the world's largest flag was unfurled Sunday, covering a large stretch of sandy hinterland.

The huge blue and white Israeli flag, 660 meters (2,165 feet) long and 100meters (330 feet) wide and weighing 5.2 metric tons, breaks the record for the world's largest, according to the Tourism Ministry.



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Lemon116 - way to contribute absolutely nothing relevant to the conversation.

 

When you say that all people are equal -- no matter how good or evil their deeds -- you excuse evil and you deny good it's rightful honor.

Doing good must be recognized; Doing evil must be recognized and dealt with.

If you went to school, studied hard, kept out of trouble, raised good children, worked your best at you job, and took take of your wife your entire life -- would you feel that you were morally equivalent to Joseph Mengele? I wouldn't. Moral equivalence is a lie and it is a lie that is destroying the foundations of Western civilization.

Samir Kuntar is an evil man. He and I are not morally equivalent. I reject that notion with both my head and my heart.

Every Israeli I know wants only peace. And yet here on this very forum we have members who say that the will never accept peace as long as Israel exists. Those two statements are not morally equivalent.

Gandhi said "Noncooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good." Refusal to label evil as evil is the greatest cooperation with evil which any person can be guilty of.

Thanks for that. I would say that these are two great pieces of symbolism -- but they really are more than symbolic. Waving around the body parts of murder victims is more than mere symbolism. Those aren't symbols -- those are people. Well, they were people before the followers of Muhammad got to them. Now they are just ruin, like everything else destroyed by that hateful religion.

These two images really do illustrate the differences between these two societies -- one celebrating life and the other celebrating death.

 

lol so how exactly did you get "All people are equal -- no matter how good or evil their deeds" from my comment of "Both sides are hateful and horrible" ??

Both sides have scumbags, neither are angels and neither should be sided with.

When both sides do evil it's a little difficult to pick a side isn't it? You never commented on the video of Israel troops using a 11 year old girl as a human shield, maybe you didn't (conveniently) see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

Then this kind of behaviour exploiting children and possiblity putting them in danger of being killed should certainly be dealt with under those guidlines, right?

It's certainly attitudes like this (religion vs religion) that will absolutely never bring world peace.

You fail to realize among pretty much every religion their are violent extremists, including Christians.

 

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You do see bad behavior from members of all religions, but it is a systemic issue with only one major world religion.

Are there Christian terrorists? Sure. I'm sure that if you looked hard enough you could find a Christian who would love to fling human body parts into a stadium full of people. You might have a bit of trouble filling the stadium. The same could be said for Buddhists, Hindu's, or Jews.

But not with Muslims. Look at all those happy people, waiting to bathe in the blood of their victims. It's barbaric. What other religion hangs children in the streets because the children are accused of homosexuality.

Let me declare my own prejudices. I'm an Atheist. I think all religions are wonky. No matter what religion you may be, you can be assured that I don't think very highly of it.

That being said, the religions are not equal. Islam is, objectively speaking, ridiculously more evil than any other major world religion.

The kind of moral equivalence in which you are engaging denies the very existence of good and evil. It attempts to view good and evil as purely relative -- totally dependent upon your point of view. This is not a world view with which I can find accord.

 

Will you have branded the worlds largest and fastest growing religion as being "evil". I hate to break it to you, but it you who isn't in touch with the "world view".

What's morally wrong is to be prejudice against a group of people for their race, creed, or religion.

And you don't have to look hard in America for Christian extremists. There a millions of them (example, John Hagee and his flock), you just don't see them fighting because the battlefield isn't their homeland.

By the way there are over 4 million Muslims in America. Have you seen any of them hanging people in the street lately?

Generally religion is inherently peaceful. However, I am extremely against religious extremists.

It's safe to say your point of view is heavily influenced by American propaganda and media, but I don't blame you. I'm absolutely certain a large part of America has the same thinking as you - but that doesn't mean it's correct.

You still never commented on my video I'm sad for this.

 

I am only interested in right and wrong. I don't give a damn about "world view."

You and six billion other people could join in the homecoming parade for Samir Kuntar, the Islamic "hero", and I would still denounce him as evil.

Of course not -- because we don't allow that here. Islamists can only do that once they have achieved the subjugation of the local populace.

Review Sura 9, Verse 29:

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.​

The Koran demands that Muslims must subjugate members of all other religions. This is why Samir is being welcomed home as a hero.

Muhammad was a caravan robber, a murderer, and a warlord. As such, the book which he wrote supports actions of that nature.

Review Sura 9, Verse 5, which commands Muslims to fight members of all other religions until they agree to worship Allah:

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.​

I note that you have not come clean regarding your own prejudices. Where are you from and what religion do you follow?

 

I guess hizballah prefer to have them alive ..
This will let them trade more numbers ..
Something like 1000~5000 arab prisoners for the 2 !

 

That only shows that Israeli soldiers are more worth then their ppl

 

So if there are two groups of people, each with 100 people. One group has 5 assholes, and the other has 95 assholes. According to you, both sides are assholes.

That is the problem with your logic. You ignore the reality that while both sides may have some bad seeds they are not equal.

You are just being purposely ignorant or lying if you say neither should be sided with because they are both the same.

 

I must agree with you here, Arabs are of course are not the same as the Zionists, and would never go that low.

 

murdering innocent children isn't low enough for them ?

 

Israel and US are masters in killing innocent children but than again when you do it with bombs that makes it ok, right?

 

the difference is arabs target innocent children and when they kill one they celebrate, Israel on the other hand is targeting the terrorists that killed our children those terrorists are hiding behind there own children so if they are killed by accident they can blame it on Israel - this is what I call the Satan Religion - ISLAM.


Watch this Video about Samir Kuntar It's the Truth:
Samir Kuntar

 

You are forgetting a key difference, Israel has weapons that they can use from far away to accurately target it's 'enemies' the side you are fighting does not.

 

What's your point? you deny the fact that Palestinians are targeting innocent children ?

and yes Israel got high-tech weps but don't forget that in such a small place like Gaza Strip it's almost impossible to avoid civilian casualties, and just for your general knowledge if a soldier hit a Palestinian civilian on purpose he's brought to court.

GRIM I'm inviting you to come here for 1 week I will take you to a tour in Israel

 

Did I say I deny that? I simply brought up a fact, sorry I forgot you don't like 'facts' that don't support your blind hatred.

It would be possible if chosen to avoid them.......

That would somehow change facts now would it?

 

And, of course, you have evidence that there was terrorist hiding behind every single Palestinian kid killed by your facist forces, right?
In civilized world noone use 1 ton bomb to kill anyone if that means that there may be civilians around:
London's burning for Dichter

You killed 9 children with him but that again they were Pakestinians so they worth much less than Einar Haran, right?

Btw when your offduty soldiers go? Do they go homes to their families? Are their families than are legitime targets?
Can Palestinians than blow up Avi Dichter and his whole family eithout being called terrorists? When Avi Dichter goes home to his kids does than he using them as human shields and hide behind them?
How about rest of Israeli policians and leaders and army officers? Do they hide behind their children when they go homes to their families?

 

I didn't say you were wrong only about the enemy casualties it's impossible to avoid them sometimes and believe I'm NOT happy when enemy children die unlike the Palestinian and Lebanese people I feel bad and disgusted about it.

 

this is what the Palestinian's are doing with there families at home:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEcaI7zQG3E
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