Oh did I upset you when I called your buddy GT a troll so you thought the best thing to do was call me a troll? Wow, how imaginative you seem to be will.
I said I would not do it. I said I was not going to pound the point into your head, but I did. And you still don't get it. I was not trying to compare Catholics, the Pope, Jews, or the Israeli government to one another. Just when I thought that no one could be as dense as Gworld, you go and prove me wrong. I have to at least give you credit for that.
Some people you just can't reach, they are so tied up in their racist rhetoric that they have lost all sense of external reality. All you can really do is take the long term view and realize that they will all be dead in just a few more decades.
I am done. If you can't see the fundamental difference between the pope and a countries government, then there is nowhere a legitimate discussion can ever go. I guess I understand how this utter failure of logic can flourish here when tools like Will stand and cheer these kind of idiocies on. You can always tell the ones overcome by propaganda, because they are only able to see one side of the issue. This point is no more evident than Americans that ignore the views of many Israeli Jews and come to the conclusion that they are somehow "not a real Jew", whatever that means. I choose to support both the Israeli and Palestinian people, and especially those willing to put their differences aside and work for real peace. I do not support the Israel government and their policies, nor do I support Hamas and their tactics. If you think that Israel is beyond any culpability and above questioning, then you have been severely manipulated by propaganda.
WTF does the Pope have to do with this discussion? I think you are overcome with brain rot. Yes, Israel is bad... Very bad.. They are after all Jew's.. Real or not, they are still Jews, that is why they are BAD... Try holding your breath for 45 minutes, I grow tired of your posts.
Advocation of suicide? How chivalrous for you. I see he brought up the pope to prove a reason not even I can ascertain, however the second quoted paragraph states that he doesn't condone violence from either side. You ignore that and just tell him to go kill himself. Unfortunately although I believe Israel to be right, since Sharon became incapacitated I believe the current situation has degraded with the current person Charged with Israels executive governmental branch - and no matter which side you look at they have both done some really nasty things. I think that if the countries that border Israel really do care - they should take the Palestinians into their damn countries and assimilate them, not keep them in border towns so that the propaganda can be fed to children who grow up to do these most horrendous acts of violence. Any Palestinian who wishes to remain should assimilate, and prove that Israel needs no fence - any others should be allowed to go live in the neighboring countries - and nay who refuse need to go to "New Palestine" which we could cut out of a small patch of land in Iraq. It will have a Casino and be called a reservation. Problem solved. Secondly, let me prove his point in a more eloquent and less convoluted and discombobulated fashion, based on his premise and not my own. Ho'ok, let's then go and replace Jew with Christian, for this thought experimentation. A Christian man, let's call him... Bob, is a creationist. He believed the world was made in the blink of an eye - and he ignored all the evidence to the contrary by claiming "It aint real". Now then Terry, who is also a Christian, believes that God created the universe, and influenced us to evolve how we are, and doesn't strictly follow the bible as absolute fact (because if he did he would have gouged someones eyes out by now). Bob claims that Terry is not a true Christian because Terry believes something different - yet Terry still worships the same God and goes to the same Church on Sunday. Does that mean Terry is "Not really a Christian?" No, in fact, it means Bob THINKS he isn't. Terry THINKS he, himself, is. Therefore what you get is a difference of opinion that can spark violence (Bob can kill Terry, because he's that delusional). MK, so then to change course again since many people are brainwashed from both to believe in sock puppets and the worship thereof let's go to a non-religious analogy. Let's use Bob again, and Terry, but in a different context. Bob is a white male, 34, portly, and poorly shaven, and is a member of a church that is 95% white. Terry, is a black man who's relatives go back to Sudan, is very dark skinned, but has been educated and was born in the United States - even has an accent local to that area. Bob claims Terry is sub-human because he's black. Bob thinks this is true because he thinks human races mean different species of man. He thus then burns down Terry's house because he doesn't want a sub-human neighbor. Mk. Same Principal, because of what Bob THINKS is true. In reality, and by science, Terry is flesh, blood, bone, and is genetically and absolutely Human, and is indeed no different race, since race cannot exist if you're the same species. Race denotes members of the same genus and family, not the same species (an example of this would be different species, they cannot interbreed). Furthermore the genetic variance between Bob the troglodyte and Terry is just variation that denotes who someone is. Same chromosomes, same genes 99.9999% same anatomy and physiology. What does this mean? What people think and have opinions on is not always true. There can be Jews who are Jews who worship God, and yet oppose the Israeli homeland because that is a (oh god here it comes) political issue, not a religious issue. Now, I won't make any definitive statement of "case closed" as an attempt to stop a topic, because frankly it isn't. You could be a NAZI and disagree with Hitler - although you would die. You could be a Republican and (oh goodness, not that! Anything but... wait - Ron Paul is... I guess you can) disagree with the president. You could be a Catholic and Disagree with the pope and you could be a Democrat (oh no, that could never happen... oh wait... Lieberman) and disagree on the parties policies. Disagreement is dissent, dissent is a political term to denote the disagreement of policy and of actions taken by a political entity and/or government. What you have here is a disagreement. Before you start typing your flame with an ad homonym attack claiming I am one thing or another, and start trying to act foolish - you don't know my political affiliations and you don't know what I think on many things unless stated without sarcasm. Doing so would be a great error for I will respond in self defense most rabidly, as I will with any sycophantic posts saying "That's what I meant!". Because honestly I didn't write this for you, I wrote this because it needed saying. When someone cannot defend a view in a responsible manner and it is something I take exception to, I will say something regardless of who does or does not believe or disbelieve it - what am I saying? I am probably not on your, or anyone's side.
Nothing to add on, talks by itself. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=3135879&postcount=33
Because you moron introduced it to the discussion. on the positive side Jackuul is actually making sense which is strange.
Based upon his other posts, this appears to be disingenuous. I concur. OK. Hold still. I'm taping a target to you... Who cares? "Who a person is" has no bearing on the truth of their statements. If Osama bin Laden told me the sky was blue, it would not make the sky any less blue. If Milton Friedman told me that I was pretty, it wouldn't make me pretty. Actually, it is a religious issue! There is a small sect of Jews who believe that God has ordained that they must suffer in exile until their savior comes to rescue them. They see Israel, and anything else which alleviates that suffering, as interfering with God's punishment. Think of them on the same level of crazy as Christian Scientists. Thank heavens! What else would we do with our time? I'm not so sure. What we really have here is some propaganda. I'm not sure that there is a genuine belief directly behind it. There are a whole slew of beliefs indirectly behind it, but we're not discussing those and that means that we're not disagreeing on those. Basically, we're arguing with logical shadow puppets. You're nothing but a deck of cards!!! And you spelled ad hominem incorrectly. And your shoelace is untied.
Your sign is crooked. Secondly I wanted a reply from Mia. Thirdly - one spelling mistake - blame cold fingers.
How is it going with your sex change operation? Since you are a total failure as a man, I wish you best of luck with being a woman.
Nothing else to do? Once you mentioned that you have 1 child. Are you the father or mother? - Sure you are not a man, - a biological accident maybe? Please advice