South African Intelligence Minister Ronnie Kasrils on Thursday accused Israel of conducting a policy against the Palestinians that was "worse" than apartheid. Speaking on the sidelines of a UN meeting on the situation in the Palestinian territories, Kasrils said South Africa's townships had never been attacked by helicopter gunships and tanks, in contrast to the military means employed by Israel. "The analogy between apartheid and Israel's occupation of Palestine is often made. It is not the same thing. The occupation is absolutely worse," Kasrils told reporters. Fascist behaviour "It is important that we tell the Israeli authorities they are behaving like fascists when they do certain things, although we are not calling it a fascist state." Kastrils called on the United States and European Union to lift their economic and political embargo of the Palestinian Authority now that Hamas and Fatah have joined in a government of national unity. More at http://iafrica.com/news/sa/725486.htm
ablaye the problem isnt the isreali government, its also groups like hamas and the plo. Have u forgotten the lebanese civil war when the plo just all of a sudden started setting up military checkpoints within lebanese soil. Both groups should have their moderates sit down with each other and grind out a lasting peace . the extremists should be put on the side
No matter how many concessions the Israeli's make, the Muslims will not keep the promises that they make. That's makes negotiations fairly useless. The Muslims demand the implementation of a religious state in Israel. An Islamic state, by it's very nature, will require that every non-Muslim submit to Islamic law or be killed. That is the only compromise possible -- submission. Most civilized people would rather keep fighting than submit to Sharia Law.
It is funny that the same people here that scream about the horrid Muslims and talk of the evil of Islam are always the same to come to the aid of any ill words written about Israel. When did Israel policies become American policies? Why is it that Americans feel a need to defend Israel? The Israeli government uses it's military to suppress all Palestinians under the guise of fighting terrorism. The real facts are very few, percentage wise, are actually terrorists and extremist. It is also a fact that the strong arm tactics used by the Israeli army and the constant inhuman treatment of the average Palestinian is what is causing much of the anger that turns into a radical opposition force. Lets take a young Palestinian male. He travels a few miles to work which causes him to cross multiple check points. He knows he could spend hours at each checkpoint on a bad day. These checkpoints also give this man a chance to get a sever beat-down for anything that looks out of line. Maybe he looks at a soldier the wrong way at the wrong time, he has seen it happen many times. One day he returns from work and finds his house being destroyed under the guise of an illegal building. Him and his family are now homeless and then he sees an Israeli settlement being built where his house once was. Maybe his family gets in the way of an Israeli shelling of possible terrorist hiding points. Unlucky them, maybe they should of not become homeless.....What does this guy have to live for now? Maybe some revenge if anything. If you kick a dog long and hard enough it is going to fvcking bite you.
That is so silly, you should go on the road as a comic. The Israeli government includes Arabs. There is an Arab Muslim who is an Israeli cabinet minister. There are Arab members of the Knesset -- including the Deputy Knesset Speaker. You've been reading too much idiot propaganda and doing too little of your own research. If the Muslims want the checkpoints gone, all they have to do is quit killing people. Once the murdering stops, there will be no more need for the checkpoints. Blaming the Jews for the checkpoints is like blaming a rape victim for defending herself. The Israeli's have built a functioning democracy which contributes to the worlds technological, economic, and cultural growth. The Muslims constantly work to tear this down and replace it with yet another Islamist "paradise." The Israeli's build, the Islamists destroy. Consider the greenhouses of Gush Katif. When the Israeli's gave that part of their territory to the Muslims in exchange for peace, they left the greenhouses intact. What did the Muslims do? They immediately destroyed 800 of the 4,000 greenhouses in their celebration party. 4,000 farm workers -- who had jobs when the Israeli's governed the area -- now face unemployment. The once prosperous area is now an economic desert, as well as a biological one. The greenhouses which once supplied Israel with 75% of it's produce and $100M/yr in food exports are now mostly unusable. They benefit no one. Not the Israeli's, not the Muslims, not the Europeans -- no one. And did the Israeli's get peace in return for their unilateral gift of Israeli territory to the Islamists? Of course not, this gift merely emboldened the Muslims by convincing them that their strategy of murdering Israeli's is succeeding.
Do you really live in the US? The greenhouses were not "given" away by the Israeli government as you imply, they were bought by the Gates foundation then loaned out to the Palestinians. Your simple use of hiding the facts shows your complete bias. I am sure we can all agree that looting something is a crime it happens in the US as well and is ugly. Does that mean that the government has the right to segregate and humiliate that population as a whole? To commit slow genocide on the Palestinians and treat those that comply like animals? Many Jews in Israel do not hold the Zionist views as you do. Funny that you are so quick to take a side when you should have a more objective view. That is unless you actually do reside in the US. Here is a Jewish view on the conflict: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565&q=peace+and+the+promised+land
Do you really live on this planet? At the moment, I live in the U.S. I've lived all over this rock at various times. The Gates Foundation surreptitiously supplied $10M to ease the transition. The greenhouses were worth billions of dollars. It is a dishonest to claim that the Gates Foundation paid for the greenhouses. Here's a bit of data from Wikipedia: The total sum of exports from the greenhouses of Gush Katif, which were owned by 200 farmers, came to $200,000,000 per year and made up 15% of the agricultural exports of the State of Israel. The combined assets in Gush Katif were estimated at $23 billion. Of Israel’s total exports abroad, Gush Katif exported: * 95% of bug-free lettuce and greens * 70% of organic vegetables * 60% of cherry tomatoes * 60% of geraniums to Europe. The Economic Cooperation Foundation, which is funded by the European Union, agreed to purchase the hothouses for $14 million and transfer ownership to the Palestinian Authority, so that the 4,000 Palestinians employed to work in them could keep their jobs. Former head of the World Bank, James Wolfensohn, contributed $500,000 of his own money to the project. When the IDF left Gaza, thousands of Palestinians looted the area, and 800 of the 4,000 hothouses were left unusable. If you want to believe that the Gates Foundation paid $10M, or that the EU paid $14M -- for $23 BILLION in Israeli assets, then you have larger problems than I can address here. Here is Gush Katif under Israeli management: And mere is Gush Katif under Islamic management: One raises food to feed people; the other digs tunnels to murder people. You choose who you want as your allies.
Christ Will do you only get your information from wikipedia? I guess you could care less that this was an illegal settlement and they were forced out. I guess you also don't care that the cost of taking those greenhouses was far greater than any worth they would have later. I guess you also don't care that the money paid was money to avoid them being destroyed out of spite. The only thing you really care about is spouting the one sided spin that you gobble up like candy. If you really cared about the truth you wouldn't have spewed out the spun story of Israel trying to be nice and giving the Palestinians a gift. Cause you know this is just flat out propaganda. Beyond Chutzpuh Of course that may not interest you either since it is the evil one Norman Finkelstein doing the talk. The Jewish bane of Israel.
Why on earth anyone would compare the protection of a nation from a terrorist state to racism is beyond all comprehension.
I Jew that is anti-Jewish? You mean he is anti-Israel right? Calling someone anti-Jewish because they speak out against Israel seems like a common mistake.
I should have been an Irish Catholic, but I don't support the IRA. My wife should have been an Arabic Sunni, but she doesn't support al-Qaeda. That Communist shitbag gets no credit from me for the accident of his birth.
So are you saying that if a Jew speaks out against Israel then he is not a "real" Jew. Him being a part of the South African Communist party has nothing to do with his thoughts on Israel.
I never said he wasn't a real Jew; I said he was a real shitbag. His opinion means nothing more or less to me because he was accidentally born a Jew. I don't give a damn about anyone's race.
Really? Prove it then Will. Put your money where your mouth is and show where I have said/did/or insinuated that I am "anti_Jewish". I have posted information from two sources on this thread that you have conveniently ignored. Both critical of Israel and both from a Jewish perspective. One of them from a Israeli-Jewish perspective. What have you done? Quoted wikipedia and thrown accusations around. Now show me where I am "anti-Jewish" or stfu.
Like when you were defending ahmadeenjad over his remarks of committing Jewish genocide? Remember that? I sure do. And here we are again, in the same twist of fate. For someone who doesn't want to take credit for being an anti-semite, you sure end up in a lot of threads that question that, eh?
It is a known fact. And you know war on terror is about killing muslims. Israeli peace loving military is doing their part.