Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Gaza Killings

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The Israeli army is at the centre of a second controversy over the moral conduct of its soldiers in as many days.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/cc4a2u (SKY News)

Nothing new here... lets ignore it and move on...

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I know you can't believe it, but this is not the army uniform.
those guys are just soldier who decided to print that shirt, and it's fine!
Israel, unlike a lot of other places is a free country where you can say and wear what you want to. For example - just this morning, Arabs decided to have Pro Hamas protest. so they did and no one stopped them.

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this is just an example of gallows humour that is the norm for soldiers serving in a war zone all these people moaning about it have probably never had to operate in the conditions these lads are.
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Like the 2nd guy said, maybe it's just stupid and cruel humor.

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huh its hateful and immoral.

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huh its hateful and immoral.
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Yea, well war is hateful and immoral but that doesn't seem to stop the world from engaging in it constantly. Not to say these shirts are right - but there are bigger things to worry about than what someone has printed on a tshirt.

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it is the show of immorality. And spreading hate.

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Here is more news...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-gaza-israeli-troops21-2009mar21,1,2206392.story

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072475.html

Toward the end of the operation, there was a plan to go into a very densely populated area inside Gaza City. In the briefings, they started to talk about orders for opening fire inside the city, because as you know they used a huge amount of firepower and killed a huge number of people along the way, so that we wouldn't get hurt and [Hamas militants] wouldn't fire on us.
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At first the specified action was to go into a house . . . with an armored personnel carrier . . . and start shooting inside. . . . I call this murder. . . . We were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself, "Where is the logic?"

They said it was permissible because anyone who remained in the sector was in effect condemned, a terrorist, because they hadn't fled. I didn't really understand. . . . They don't have anywhere to flee to. . . . This scared me a bit.

I tried to exert some influence, insofar as is possible [in] my subordinate position, to change this. In the end the specification involved going into a house, operating megaphones and telling [the occupants], "Come on, everyone get out. You have five minutes. Leave the house. Anyone who doesn't get out gets killed."

I went to our soldiers and said, "The order has changed. We go into the house, they have five minutes to escape, we check each person who goes out . . . to see that he has no weapons, and then we start going into the house floor by floor to clean it out. . . . This means going into the house, opening fire at everything that moves, throwing a grenade, all those things."

One of my soldiers came to me and asked, "Why?" I said, "What isn't clear? We don't want to kill innocent civilians." He goes, "Yeah? Anyone who's in there is a terrorist, that's a known fact." I said, "Do you think the people there will run away? No one will run away." He says, "That's clear," and then his buddies join in, "We need to murder any person who's in there. Yeah, any person who's in Gaza is a terrorist," and all the other things that they stuff our heads with, in the media.
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"You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it, but they won't say anything. To write 'death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing in understanding how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics, really. It's what I'll remember the most."
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Those shirts wouldn't float in teh US Military. Yeah, you have freedom's etc. But, Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (laws governing the US Military) says

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.
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What does this mean? It means anything that brings discredit upon the armed forces, or goes against good order and discipline, is against the US Military Law.

Obviously, these shirts do both. These are disgusting.

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uploas said: ↑

I know you can't believe it, but this is not the army uniform.
those guys are just soldier who decided to print that shirt, and it's fine!
Israel, unlike a lot of other places is a free country where you can say and wear what you want to. For example - just this morning, Arabs decided to have Pro Hamas protest. so they did and no one stopped them.

Like the 2nd guy said, maybe it's just stupid and cruel humor.
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Don't pretend Israel is a free country, it's too funny.

I know how the non-ashkenazis are treated.

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Racist and sexist Israeli military shirts show the mindset that led to war crimes in Gaza - By Philip Weiss

Ha'aretz is continuing to divulge soldier testimonies from Gaza. You can find the fullest report yet here. The messianic fervor that fueled the Israeli policy of collective punishment is laid bare.I'm not going to comment on it yet, just go read it.
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There is another report in today's Ha'aretz that I do want to comment on. Uri Blau's article "'No virgins, no terror attacks'" describes the practice of Israeli soldiers getting custom clothing printed with their unit's insignia along with graphics and text. Below are some examples of shirts that were printed, along with some of the images. These images only appeared on Ha'aretz's Hebrew-language website:

A T-shirt for infantry snipers bears the inscription "Better use Durex," next to a picture of a dead Palestinian baby, with his weeping mother and a teddy bear beside him.

A sharpshooter's T-shirt from the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion shows a pregnant Palestinian woman with a bull's-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, "1 shot, 2 kills."

After Operation Cast Lead, soldiers from that battalion printed a T-shirt depicting a vulture sexually penetrating Hamas' prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh

A "graduation" shirt for those who have completed another snipers course depicts a Palestinian baby, who grows into a combative boy and then an armed adult, with the inscription, "No matter how it begins, we'll put an end to it."

There are also plenty of shirts with blatant sexual messages. For example, the Lavi battalion produced a shirt featuring a drawing of a soldier next to a young woman with bruises, and the slogan, "Bet you got raped!"

A few of the images underscore actions whose existence the army officially denies - such as "confirming the kill" (shooting a bullet into an enemy victim's head from close range, to ensure he is dead), or harming religious sites, or female or child non-combatants.

"Let every Arab mother know that her son's fate is in my hands!" had previously been banned for use on another infantry unit's shirt. A Givati soldier said this week, however, that at the end of last year, his platoon printed up dozens of shirts, fleece jackets and pants bearing this slogan.

"It has a drawing depicting a soldier as the Angel of Death, next to a gun and an Arab town," he explains. "The text was very powerful. The funniest part was that when our soldier came to get the shirts, the man who printed them was an Arab, and the soldier felt so bad that he told the girl at the counter to bring them to him."

In 2006, soldiers from the "Carmon Team" course for elite-unit marksmen printed a shirt with a drawing of a knife-wielding Palestinian in the crosshairs of a gun sight, and the slogan, "You've got to run fast, run fast, run fast, before it's all over." Below is a drawing of Arab women weeping over a grave and the words: "And afterward they cry, and afterward they cry." [The inscriptions are riffs on a popular song.]

Another sniper's shirt also features an Arab man in the crosshairs, and the announcement, "Everything is with the best of intentions."

A shirt printed after Operation Cast Lead in Gaza for Battalion 890 of the Paratroops depicts a King Kong-like soldier in a city under attack. The slogan is unambiguous: "If you believe it can be fixed, then believe it can be destroyed!"

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Some pretty classless shirts, that is for sure.

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It's attention whoring on a large scale. Nothing new here.

BRUm, Mar 23, 2009 IP

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