Israel Project a charity (Yea right)

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  1. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #181
    As honest as it may be (I would get banned for saying it), so I'll just say your hi-jacking has been reported.
     
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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #182
    Thank you, then perhaps someone will close this thread and others like it where you continually carry on about NOTHING!!!
     
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  3. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #183
    Yes of course that was your intent all the long, like in many other threads that you don't like.

    You don't have anything to say on the matter, but you put your excrement all over it then say is dirty, to get threads closed:D
     
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  5. Toopac

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    rhoula Well-Known Member

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    #186
    This Forum reminds me of this tribe that was so scared of the rain they jumped in the lake to avoid getting wet by the rain.

    Listen Guys, please for God's sake if you cannot handle the TRUTH just stay away stop diverting the Subject.

    Thank you for your time.
     
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  7. Dodara

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    #187
    I'm sorry to disagree with you here and getting out of the main subject, you can say most religions, but that's does not fit with Islam.

    The Quran has encouraged reading, searching, observation and thinking in various verses, which i can provide proofs if your interested.

    The first chapter which was recited to Mohamed (PBUH) began with the word: Read.

    The Golden Age of the Islamic civilization, in which science and economy have flourished in the Abbasid period was a result of the Islamic teaching, in which is completely the opposite case with other religions.

    So your claim might fit most religions but it does not fit the Islamic religion.

    Proofs can be provided from Quran, Hadith and history.

    1. Quran verses and Hadith:

    2. Islamic Golden Age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #188

    Yea but since when does intelligence not equate with truthfullness and compassion for his fellow human beings? Chaos keeps saying that the israeli government keeps building settlements because of hamas attacks and that is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard in my entire life. The great jewish peace activist Anna Baltzar got it just right when she called it by its true name COLONIZATION. Now she is a very intelligent person that uses her intelligence for the common good of all human beings and not one biased movement that is enslaving a people and then putting the blame on them as an excuse.
    People lets stay on the subject or else your giving chaos exactly what he wants.
     
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  9. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #189
    Dodara, is there some reason you could not fit that all in one post? "EDIT"... ;)
     
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  10. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #190
    Yes it is pure BS.

    The very reason that they get attacked by rockets in the first place is because of their acts such stealing land, Israel then uses the rocket fire as an excuse to steal more land.

    Anyone that doesn't have bs in their eyes, can see how stupid that is.

    She is a good woman, there are many many decent Jews, here's an ex Captain of the IDF Air Force (Talking about Cast Lead).
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #191
    Nice link Toopac,Checking it out. Your right about many decent jews. I am proud to call many of them my friends. They are the non-biased and educated ones. Im surprised that chaos claims to have a phd, maybe they do have a degree in deception available but I havent found a school yet that has that program:rolleyes:

    Wow this ex captain has guts of steel to be able to voice his opinion there. He also said that there are many jews there that are protesting what the government is doing against the palestinian people. Wow, I dont know If I would have the guts to do that.

    I guess that chaos trivia in his warped thinking will think that hes hitler or something for speaking out against an atrocity?:rolleyes:
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #192
    Yes, those dirty joos are only "non-biased" and "educated" or "Friends" when they bash their own kind.

    Nice...:rolleyes:

    The ignorance here is overwhelming lately. :confused:
     
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  13. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #193
    I can't say I've had the pleasure around here in Nottingham, I have not seen any but I know theres some Jewish groups in Notts.


    Not half! Yea there are many decent Israeli's but to speak out like that takes a man.

    Well maybe, but this captain of the IDF Air force is speaking out against Nazi tactics of his own government.

    It's not "bashing" Mia, it called standing up for what is right. People don't deserve to live in concentration camps, basically living on the brink, whilst having their land seized.

    A German speaking up against Hitler during his reign could be considered "bashing" Germans.

    Speaking up against evil is good, what your reality? goods bad bads good?

    Why do you call joo's dirty?:confused:
     
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    #194
    there is only one kind. human
     
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    incomesinternational.com Peon

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    #195
    So true the ignorance is overwhelming.

    Particularly when someone considers another human being to be of a different kind. Some of us only think in terms of human kind - since that really is the only kind.

    Unless of course in your ignorance you see the Jewish or Arab people as some other species. I don't know, I'm just trying to understand what you mean by "their own kind".

    If you are cut - do you not bleed?
    If you are injured - do you not hurt?
    If your loved one dies - do you not morn?

    What makes you different? Your words make you sound like a 16th century imperialist who see anyone not of the "your own kind" as somehow inferior and deserves to be wiped out.

    Disagree? Just ask the Aboriginals of Australia and see what they have to say about it? Perhaps ask Nelson Mandella and see what he thinks.

    I guess it kind of fits in with the last enlightened and completely impartial commenter who made the assertion that Jewish rabbi's were somehow nazi's. I guess you see them as a different kind to all the rest of the human beings on this planet.

    I agree - the ignorance is so overwhelming.
     
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    #196
    NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!

    Apart from the common human kind, there is another kind, known as "the jews".
    They, "the jews", are pretty much different than the human kind. These people are infamous for conspiring the deaths of millions for their own greedy narrow financial religious and national interests many times in history, for being untrustworthy and treacherous.
    For example, such a thing happened during the first world war, after the Germans didn't loose even a single battle, the UK was on the verge of despair and had no choice but to cut a deal with "the jews": in the deal, also known as "the Balfour declaration" blackmail scam, UK committed to give Palestine as a gift to "the jews" who will surely brutalize the miserable innocent peace loving Palestinians, in exchange for the help from "jewish american bankers", a dangerous fully-coordinated subgroup of "the jews", to drag the USA into WWI.

    source (paragraph that starts with "Up to the point")
     
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  17. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #197
    lol what a pathological liar and comedian.

    Do you have the quote yet and the highlighting to which bit qualifies why "liberals fail to see why it is necessary for Israeli armored tanks to shoot at unarmed kids" yet?

    I'm going to bed it's 12:54am maybe I will wake up to a surprise? I dunno...
     
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    incomesinternational.com Peon

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    #198
    It's sad that you think like that but still I'd disagree. The people you refer to are not "the Jews" as you put it. Those people you refer to are a fundamentalist secular proponent of Jewish population know as "The Zionists" who believe that they are justified in shooting and killing unarmed children from armored tanks and publish reports pleading for others to assist in that justification through propaganda techniques.

    Even a council of Rabbi's who opposed this appalling, self serving fundamentalist secular group were labeled as Nazi's simply because they didn't subscribe to a violently forced relocation of non Jews and the colonization of Palestine.

    Interestingly, their argument was based on scripture, predominantly the holy writ which the entire Jewish faith is based upon. In this scripture the actions and the agenda of the Zionists is directly forbidden and the Rabbi's, wanting to stay true to the faith refused then, and still refuse today, to be involved in such actions or associated with such political fundamentalists.

    These rabbi's also understood that the Jewish faith is a religion and saw that the Zionist movement was a completely political organisation and is prepared and willing to fore go those parts of the faith that don't suit their political agenda.

    What is most astounding though is that even though the only claim the these so called Zionist have ever made over Palestine is a historical claim, even though these Zionists, not any Jew was ever the original occupant of that land. The original occupants of that land were the Canaanites who were brutally and savagely wiped from the face of the earth. Various other peoples also occupied the land long before the Hebrews ever showed up, including the Egyptians yet these Zionists refuse to recognize any historical claim other than their own.

    Today we find thousands upon thousand of Jews from around the globe, who once believed that the Zionists were acting in a moral and ethical manner, but now realise that these Zionist have been working for a hundred years simply to satisfy their own personal, political agenda.

    From jewish scholars, to jewish politicians, rabbi's to Israeli military personnel, the Zionist movement is losing support at a rapid rate of knots and are using some very desperate measures to maintain their position and their strangle hold over a people who, once lived side by side with muslim, christian, and jew, but are today so disillusioned with their struggle that they have become fanatical about their cause and are taking extreme measures to push back the tyrannical opposition to their very existence.

    What is so extremely sad about this entire situation is that while neither group are completely innocent, hundreds of thousands of innocent people, people who are not of either faith, people who are simply trying to live their lives are being slaughtered for the sake of this horrific political agenda.

    I wonder how history will view this past 100 years of Palestinian history. All I can think is that once the ANC was considered a terrorist organisation. Though through the media the world learned exactly what apartheid really meant and history now views that same organisation as a group of freedom fighters who were willing to die for their freedom.

    I wonder what these Zionists would say if Nelson Mandella was a Palestinian and fought for freedom and the abolition of segregation and inequality based on race or religion in that part of the world.

    However even when we remove religion from the whole argument, these Zionists still hold a belief that all Arabs should be removed from Palestine and we can see proof of this with the forced relocation and the theft of land in a clear attempt to push all Arabs out of the region.

    This is what is known today as ethnic cleansing. The biggest concern for all people should be that these Arabs, no matter what faith or religion they may subscribe to, have occupied these lands long before the concept of God ever existed and the religiously based politically driven Zionist movement are not able to see beyond their own shadows to realise that these people, who once willingly agreed to share the region with all people, of all races, and all religions, to live side by side is peace, is now being persecuted much in the same way as these Zionists once were in Europe and crying foul if anyone should oppose their motives.
     
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    #199
    oh my ;)
    oh my !

    must be another "typo". :D

    incomesinternational.com this time I will spare you a long reply. I have humiliated you enough, or more exactly you have humiliated yourself enough.

    ok... just one small one.... can't resist it...
    Problem is, that historically out of 2,000,000 American Jews, by 1920 only 7% of them joined the zionist movement. This means, that the "jewish american bankers" who conspired with the "zionists" in the zionist-UK scam were indeed actually "the jews" and not "the zionists". lol
    American jews turned predominantly zionist at a much later stage, when it started to look like zionism will prevail and the dream will become reality. You know - Americans, always like to cheer for the winning football team, never like to be on the losing side ;)

    I have never seen somebody getting slapped in the face like this time after time and yet keeps returning....

    So, lets summarize what have we learned from you. Our dear scholarly history teacher.

    "UK deceived France", "ottomans ruled palestine for 600 years", "jews made US enter WWI", "Israel illegally established themselves as a nuclear power after infiltrating the US military machine and stealing the appropriate documents", "Lord Balfour was blackmailed by Rothschild", "vast majority of present day jews are of russian decent", "UK deceived the Arabs", "The people of Palestine have occupied that land for over 1700 years", "Zionist movement is losing support at a rapid rate", "Israel genocides the Palestine people" (<-- the ethnic group with the highest birth rate in the whole middle east....LOL), "countless numbers of Israeli spies infiltrating the US, being caught, and never being charged with a crime", "Hitler didn't bullshit people", "Up to the point of US entry into WW1 Germany had not lost a battle", "Arabs have occupied these lands (Palestine) long before the concept of God ever existed" <--- LOL!!!!!

    Great. Great thread.
    It just can't get any better.

    Let me thank you again in the names of toopac, new, imad, gauaekrjhaer, polite teen, ziya, and dodara for an "impartial, well researched" historical account.
     
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    incomesinternational.com Peon

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    #200
    What you think you have done, and what you have actually done are very distant and unrelated things.

    Exactly, because back then, the vast majority of Jews didn't want to be associated with the Zionists. Thanks for confirming what I'd already said.

    Actually you just contradicted yourself. As you pointed out only 7% were zionist so in actual fact it wasn't simply jewish bankers it was a single wealthy zionist banker who had a different agenda.

    Not sure how you managed to somehow slip over to focus on American jews but even still it's not relevant.

    But generally speaking Americans don't like to be on the losing side. The Vietnam war and the years of ignoring and not ackowledging the veterans from that war clearly demonstrates this fact.

    However more to the point, Americans also usually give support for domestic political gains, not for the sake of helping the less fortunate. The Serb/Croat conflict is a clear demonstration of this.

    So stop coming back and you won't keep getting slapped.

    You cannot learn because you are incapable of listening to anyone else's point of view and are hell bent on justifying why children should be shot from armored tanks. Added to this that you called a council of rabbi's in opposition to Zionism, nazi's.

    You slapped your own face with that little perl.

    Correct. Historical fact. In fact the British have a long sordid history of deceit particularly toward the French.

    If your going to quote at least do it factually. Oh that's right you don't care much for facts.

    Once again, misquoted. Not the Jews not even a group, just one man acting on behalf of the Zionist of which not all Jews accept.

    Hey well done you got 1 out 10 right. That's correct, Israel established itself as a nuclear power illegally and without the approval AEC.

    Oh look out that 2 out of 10 correct. Well done you deserve a gold star. Very many cases are now public record so that even those who suffer from delusions, such as yourself, can read all about it.

    That's a new one. Where did you get that one from? Oh that's right you only demand sources but never feel the need to provide them.

    Once again misquoted to serve your own pupose. Specifically I said Ashkenazi jews. Current genealogy shows this to be quite accurate. No I won't do your homework for you, look it up yourself and prove me wrong.

    That's correct. Historical documents from official sources such as the League of Nations and United Nations have it all documented due the protest that were made because of the deceit.

    Correct, in fact longer. We in the informed world call these people Arabs. Not muslims, not jews, just Arabs.

    That's right and the longer it goes on the more Jewish people of influence are speaking out including people who could lose their lives over such disclosure - particularly those who served in the IAF.

    Yes and the mainstream media has been reporting on it very aggressively. The modern world also understands and accepts that even with a high birth rate, genocide can still occur. And actually the Arabic people of Palestine are not an ethnic group. They are the locals. Been there for a long time. The ethnic groups are those that have moved in more recently.

    That's correct, including several who were caught just outside of NYC days after the towers fell. They were later found to be members of the Mossad and the van they were driving was found to have traces of explosive materials inside. The arresting officers were forbidden to detain them and they were escorted from the scene by what were most likely CIA operatives.

    And while no offical proof exists it is very reminiscent of the attempted sinking of the US war ship USS Liberty in an attempt to incite the US into a conflict against the arab world by claiming for almost a week that is was not Israel who attacked but rather Egypt.

    Evidence later proved that the was in fact an unprovoked attack on USS Liberty by Israel in international waters.

    Within the context of my quote that is correct that Hitler did not bullshit about his hate for all Jews, Zionist or otherwise.

    Ahh yes you got me there because I'd intended to state that they had not lost a battle or any ground in Germany. Since I didn't clarify that in my original post, I'll let you have that little win.

    Still it's like about 15 - 1 against you.

    Exactly. It is funny that with more than 10,000 years of recorded history, and the concept of one god only coming to bear around 3000 years ago that correct.

    The best example of this would be the most prominent religion of the same region prior to christianity, judaism, or islam, was the Pagans. These people did not have God's but rather idols that were representative of their physical world such as rain, sun, earth, and various others.

    The concept of one god did not come about for many thousand of years after this group was very well established in the region.

    I agree - it's been an absolute blast watching as you duck and weave through the stupidity of some of your statements. I'm still giggling from when you called the rabbi's nazi's. That one was pure gold.

    It's been my absolute pleasure. Hope to see you again soon.
     
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