Israel has been talking tough, and acting tough, all the way since 1948 till now and it did not bring it peace, you are confirming that Israel always depends on violence for its existence, despite the clear fact that Arabs did not have serious problems with Jews before Israel, this is because Israel been established on stolen lands, and the expelling and killing, of course Israel is very paranoid, and they know it very well:
more importantly israel has to talk smart and act smart. That is why pursuing peace is very important. security through peace. i don't get it. who have told israel to lay down arms. just point it somewhere else. yes it is at war for 60 years. It needs peace not a little more peace of land. israel have to find a way for her security without such condition for Palestinians. and fast. the world has put so much pressure on arabs to make peace with israel and some people say israel is not ready. Yes there are a lot of positive things happening we must all support these progress and don't allow the extremists on any side to derail it. it is US that has to deal with iran and by negotiation. This way we just loosing ground. You have been in a lot of negotiations, here it is one side that is keep offering a new deal. This is not good negotiating skills. In a real negotiations i would have asked the iranians to put a plan on the table that deals with the security concerns of the world. based on what i have seen any attack on iran can only set them back 10 years. we can easily get that in negotiations. the other factor is that we can end up being israel in the israel hizbolah war. this would be a big problem. they are playing their cards much better than us. that is for sure.bush and the neocons are incompetent
Ans the Jews stole that land from canaans in the first place. But according to Talmud Jews are allowed to steal from non-Jews so I guess that's make it ok.
Iggy: You could argue history forever on that one. Accept a peace and move forward. Life for all would be better. Spend your energies on developing peace. Imagine if the Palestinians in Gaza had decided to move forward in peace and develop a better land. Their situation would be infinitely better right now and they would be moving toward prosperity. They coulda been Singapore or Hong Kong. Instead they are embroiled in hatred and despair. Hamas is giving the 1.5 million there no gift.
This is so much crap Earl. You talk about peace, and then blame the Palestinians exclusively for their own plight. There will be peace when there is justice, not when there is slavery, terrorism or genocide. Reminds me of the thread where the Palestinian (sic) terrorists were killing Israelis but somehow 10 times as many Palestinians were dying. Justice.
they have to pass the blame game if there is going to be peace. cant change the past but can work now for a better future. palastanians have not been represented well either. there is no denying that.
You( i mean in general , not directly you) can not leave, deny your past. Your past always will follow you. You are responsible what you did in past. And about 60 year is not much period of time, it is not a century too.
don't let the past chain you down. you're suppose to learn from it and move on. 60 years is a lot of time to waste. 1 year is a lot of time to waste.
My oh my. Looks like I'm being stalked again. You really hate the things I say. Rather surprising that you can't see a glimmer of peace out of any comment. Not surprising....except when you try and pass off these comments. So when I suggest someone focus on the future rather than a hatred steeped in the past....you think it is "crap" you don't seem very non agressive to me. or possibly this perspective that you expressed earlier...... That statement was stated in a thread about Israel and Syria. Somehow your quotes from the top have the feeling of a lot of violence....and it seems to be directed toward Israel (let alone me....the stalked one) and then in your own words above....."slavery, terrorism, and genocide".....those are simply the terms of a rabble rousing inciter who would rather see war than peace. (hm....so much for the libertarian principal of non-violence) and finally, once again you have taken a post which pointed out that far more Israeli women died on a percentage basis than did Palestinian women during the Intafada period, during which the research took place.....and twisted it into something different that attacks Israel. I see even the slightest effort at referencing a peace comment gets attacked by you, Guerilla, the stalker. Getting back to the opening thread and trying to stay on topic, though; I see perfect logic in Israel talking tough with Iran as Iran talks tough with Israel. As I also said nobody wants a war or back and forth bombing/missile attacks between Israel and Iran. It will only harm many. Meanwhile while Israel is trading toughness with Iran, they are simultaneously exploring peace talks with Syria, with the Palestinians on the West Bank, and in some truce talks with Hamas via Egypt. But it seems from your incendiary comments, Guerilla, you'd rather see all out war. Frankly, your concern mirrors that of Al-Queda, everyone's favorite backwards in time, hater of everything modern, hater of nations, and moral pronouncer to one and all. Thanks for your most recent enlightening comments, Guerilla.
The Islamists will not accept peace until every knee on Earth is bent to their god. Don't you read? Go to Islamist Watch and read what these guys have to say -- in their own words. Are you attempting to blame the Jews again because they are more organized militarily than the terrorists. Thirty terrorists attack ten IDF soldiers. What happens? Two dead IDF soldiers and twenty dead terrorists. You blame the Jews for being organized in their own defense? I blame the terrorists for crossing into Israel with the intent of murdering people. I am so sick of that John Birch Society anti-semitism.
If we want it or not the past will chain us down. If I am doing bad things, crime when I am young ( If i had killed during 60 years).. after many many years lets say 60 years.. after 60 years I became a president, will that fact change my past ? Am I not responsible for deaths if I had killed during 60 years ? ( There were a man who was keeping his dau and having with her s*x during many years , they had kids, can he say that lets forget our past and discuss our future, talk about our kids ?) It is same about holocaust, if it was in past, then why holocaust is used ? Why just dont forget about it ?
ziya: It's your decision to live in the past or to move on. You are not bound by fate to live and die as your father did and his father before him. If you want peace, move on. If you want perpetual war, stay as you are. It's up to you.
If past is not important : COMPENSATION (for Holocaust Victims) In this context, the term compensation is inappropriate because financial compensation for the murder of 6 million Jews, among them 1.5 million children, is an oxymoron. Up till the year 2000, Germany paid out a sum of $60 billion. But dividing this sum (which many considered too high) by 6 million shows that each life is worth just $10,000. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=139&view=item&idx=778 Why Germany had to pay compensation ? Why there are restrictions for denying holocaust in some of countries ?
i stand by my statement. if your past is stopping you from a good future then you need to let it go. if paleanians want peace with israelis they can not keep on talking about the past. it will do nothing for them. they have to break the cycle because it is to their benefit. just like Mandela did. they have to do things differently. they have to accept that their way of doing things have been unsuccessful.you have to let the past become history.
I hate when you play passive aggressive and refuse to look terrorism and genocide right in the eye. And we all know how many times I have confronted you on your silent support of Clintonian genocide, and you always stay quiet and disappear from the discussion. The only impression I get from you, is that you think brown Muslims should die or be enslaved. From your support for continuing the illegal occupation of Iraq, to your silence on Kosovo and Food for Oil. Slavery, terrorism and genocide is what you support. In a year in this forum, I have never seen you ever write even one critical word of Israel, even going so far as to try and explain casualty numbers that are 10 greater against the Palestinians, and still portray Israel as the victim. I have, and always will be anti-war. You however, believe in flexible laws, and flexible morality. You believe killing is acceptable for ideological or strategic (non-self defense) reasons. That makes you pro-murder. Again, your memory fails you or you are intentionally lying. I can't tell which. There were no death totals for Palestinian women. Only Israeli women. And from this, you constructed an argument that it takes 10 Palestinian men to kill 1 Israeli woman and somehow these incompetent Palestinian males were ultra-dangerous terrorists. That whole thread was another one you abandoned, because you were made to look foolish when the facts were brought under scrutiny. I've given up trying to enlighten you Earl. Your profile says willing to learn, but I think you might be too old, and incapable of learning new things. That's probably why you sit around the forum writing 1000 word anecdotal posts ad infinitum, like anyone has the desire, let alone the time to stumble through essay length retorts that never address any point of substance. Do you actually know any Muslims? And yes, I know about your wife. Are you attempting to offer an unprincipled defense without any knowledge of the subject matter? Crying anti-semite doesn't work here anymore. I don't think there are many who attempt that kind of cheap name calling anymore. It's almost as lame as Earl trying to conflate my rhetoric with Al Queda. Neither if you are any good at Ad Homs.
About a third of my staff and several of my friends, why do you ask? Of course, I am not counting my in-laws! You won't learn about Islamism from most Muslims. Most Muslims are peaceful folk like myself. To learn about Islamism, go to Islamist Watch. There really is no excuse for you to remain as ignorant and xenophobic as you are.