Can you not comprehend basic english? What is going on now is being done under basically a Martial Law, something that CAN NOT and WILL NOT be maintained. As Guerilla also stated we are paying them left and right, buying people off. All you are seeing now is the insurgents buying their time until the troop levels have been reduced. I have read this multiple times by not only previous military men, but also those still in the service in Iraq as well as the citizens in the country. If you consider 'well' as in a short term, fictional well that you can not conclude will be any long lasting solution, I'm not so sure I could even say that. I concede nothing, I stand by what I stated, NOT what you tried to twist it into.
Please post your credentials or links that source people with the proper credentials, whether they be a West Point graduate, a sociologist or some other pertinent education or experience. Or should I believe "that CAN NOT and WILL NOT be maintained" just because you say so? Credible source please?
GRIM doesn't have to play that game. Although, if I had more time tonight, I would. He hasn't posted much if anything that I haven't seen published as truth. Make me a list of what you need sourced. I should have time tomorrow afternoon.
You can not be serious. You do know what the surge is correct? You do know that we are going to draw down our forces do you not? Why on earth would I need to list a source for this? Even the man in charge himself warned us over and over of this, in the beginning of the surge to not take too much out of it.
Because you are making claims about future events as though they have already happened. Maybe I should of asked for your degree from the Military Academy for Advanced Clairvoyance?
I think the quote is a lie made up for propaganda purposes by people who hate the U.S. Actually, it's not only what I think, it's a fact since I can prove it. This is the real quote by Thomas Paine: Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=ip...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result Ok, now make good on my favor. Here it is: Stop trying to pass off anti-US hate propaganda as patriotism. Patriotism can be manifested as dissent, but so can the hatred of the enemy. To be considered a patriotic dissenter, you must first love your country. Guerilla has demonstrated nothing but hatred for the U.S. Not one kind word for our republic can I recall. To qualify as patriotic dissent there must first be love for the republic for which you intend to save. Guerilla, if you truly are a patriot then you must have love for our country, if not in its current incarnation then in some incarnation at some point in history, please tell us what about the U.S. you love. If you cannot express any love for your country then you are not only not a patriot, but an enemy.
You were right it is Thomas Paine, you are wrong that it was for propaganda purposes. It was to see if you would recognize the same charges the Founders made against England, being made against Pax Americana. Define what the country is. If it is the people, the land and the Constitution, I love it a helluva lot. If it is the government, the army and the laws, then there is little love in my heart for those things. All are, or have become tools of pain and oppression against the poorest and most unfortunate people both in and out of this country. We have become worse than the British monarchy we seceded from. I've got a long history of extolling free markets, republicanism, the Constitution, the right to secession, etc. I think the American "experiment" in liberty has been one of the most amazing and productive times in history. But that is not now. Now we have people like you, who make charges about patriotism, when you don't even know where your money comes from, or how your wealth is stolen, precisely as Thomas Jefferson warned it would. Worse yet, how it is being used to hurt people both economically and militarily. I don't have to defend patriotism to you. For you, "patriot", seems to be something you can call yourself because you don't speak up, and you don't ask questions, and you don't do a damn thing to make a difference, because even if you knew the republic was sick, or weak, or dying, you're too lazy and scared to life a finger to help it. Now your turn. What makes you such a great patriot?
I am not. Nor have I ever claimed to be. I have never really sacrificed for my country but I have reaped the benefits of being one of its citizens. That is why it bothers me when others malign the character of the people who help ensure that all of us reap the benefits of what I believe to be, the greatest nation ever. So no, I would never call myself a patriot because I've done nothing to deserve the title, nor have I ever used the term patriot as a shield to justify my campaign of propaganda and hatred against my country. So for the term patriot, as a tool, I have no use.
Malign the character of who? I don't malign the Founders. I don't malign the revolutionaries. Who are you talking about? When did I call myself a patriot?
Any US soldier who has fought in any conflict that you deem to be illegal. At least on a weekly basis, you at the very least imply that your campaign on here is your patriotic duty. I'm not going to dig up every quote. Every regular in this forum already knows it to be truth so there's no need for me to waste time "proving" it.
So without Iraq and Vietnam, we wouldn't be a great country? Boy, you sure don't give the Founders much credit for basically becoming insurgents and traitors against the greatest empire in human history. Dig up one quote. Just one since you have made my claim to be a patriot the foundation of your criticism. I've got thousands of posts, you can search by keyword+username+post to get specificity. Please. I insist. Point out my error.
Do you scream in explicit and literal terms, "I want to bring down the empire because I'm the most patriotic patriot if there ever was a patriot that believed in patriotism!!!" ? No. But you offer subtle allusions to it all the time. Two examples I can come up with without putting a lot of energy into it. 1. A recent reply in this thread where you posted an edited version of a quote taken from one of the most influential "patriotic" writers ever. It was edited to serve your needs of helping to bring down the evil empire while at the same time associating yourself with the source(however distorted it was from the original), whom was a patriot. 2. Your signature. "The answer to 1984 is 1776 - Alex Jones". Once again aligning yourself with the cause of "patriotism". You repeatedly imply, if not that you are personally, that the "cause" that you are involved with is a patriotic one. Not only do you assert that but you imply if not outright accuse people who are not activists of being unpatriotic.
So your answer is no, I have not said what you have accused me of saying. Thanks. Yeah, we know you don't like to put any energy in. That's total nonsense. I've never equated myself with a Founder, and I did not put my name to the edited version. What a reach. Actually, I'm quoting Alex because it is brilliant. That the evil in Orwell's 1984 can be defeated by the Declaration of Independence by free men. It's f**king poetry. Source? I'm pretty sure I have condemned you as lazy, not smart and shallow. I don't think I called you unpatriotic. So do you have anything else to back up your statement? Or is it just that I'm not "patriotic" like you.
Cowards get to bask in the freedom that the so called evil empire has given them. If they were brave, the empire haters would leave the comforts of the US (momma’s basement) and seek refuge in the Middle East with those they try glorify. But, Cowards are not brave and have a comfort shield called a computer. Antagonist antagonize.
Actually I put a lot of intellectual energy into something real that gives real results. I don't waste my time trying to convince everyone else that I have special insight on the world and that if they don't listen to me they are not only wrong but stupid. In fact, what I've been working on tonight between alt+tabbing to reply to your nonsense is a class library / widget(haven't done the higher level work yet to turn it into a widget) that wraps the YUI Treeview widget, which will allow you, in a reusable way to drag/drop nodes, to move them around, edit nodes, add nodes(still not implemented). All using a design(which isn't done, there's still some messy bits in the code) that uses "separation of concerns" to achieve a high degree of flexibility and reusability. The code that responds and changes state in the interface is decoupled from the code(the ajax handlers) that changes state on the server. http://www.footabulous.com/test/yui/treeview/treeview.php Have you done anything meaningful that requires intelligence or do you use all of your energy to promote Alex Jones' fairy tales and try to convince everyone that the US is the most evil nation ever devised? Which would be a personal attack, would it not? This is what the third or fourth time you've called me stupid in public, not counting the cute rep you left me that said the same thing. It honestly doesn't bother me, but it bothers me that your childish personal attacks bother other members of this forum to the point that I fear for them getting booted or for them just leaving. I'm not a whiner or a rat but I might report you because of that.
Yeah, let's whine about anti-semitism again when we have nothing else to say... I will repeat my question: since when Israel have defined borders? Ceasefire lines are not borders. Not yet. Keep on whining.