IMO by killing so many civilian palestinians Israel is just strenghtening Hamas and other jihadists around the world against Israel and US. Looks like Israel does not really want peace with the palestinians...... otherwise why killing so many civilians and destroying so many buildings in Gaza? You see now how much recruting material Israel has just gifted to the terrorists around the world? I don't want to be right, but I suspect there will be a revenge terrorist atack somewhere around the world because of the Israely war on Gaza. (The war is not just on Hamas, almost all of Gazans are affected by it ..) Unfortunately one more time US became hostage of Israel's policies of brutality against innocent people under occupation. (Don't take my post as a support for terrorists or Islamic fanatics ...) This looks more like a war started with the ugly agenda to make the lives of so many Gazans miserable to the extreme .... and they are succeeding in their goals. Anyway: I don't know how those people who give orders to kill go to sleep? I don't know what kind of mothers those guys have/had? I don't know what kind of people are those who vote for a war of agression knowing that a lot of innocent children, women and men will die as a result. No one is practicing "Love each other, Love your enemies". If the Israelis, Palestinians and etc. people really want peace they have to change their ideology ..... I don't see that happening anytime soon though. Some people think that God exists only in the books, well that will be only valid in their minds for a limitted time, and sooner or later God (Who is absolutely fair) will give each one what they deserve ... So before you pull the "trigger" think about God, and what He really likes to see ... People killing each other, or Loving each other.
Thats funny.....FYI Palestine is not a sovereign country. What if your neighboring country have right to attack on your country on Will. What if your neighboring country is allowed to violate your air space any time. What when your country is blocked to get any good/medicine or any other such thing for over 6 months and then in depression your country fired few rockets in other country which do no harm to any human and your neighboring country enters yours territory killing hundreds of civilians... how it feel to you? And keep the fact in mind that your neighboring country is an illegal state occupying your territory... Now lets live in peace
Re check your facts. Hamas hasn't been shooting rockets at Israel for 6 months, it's been 8 years. Israel has also been shipping humanitarian aid all that time, around 40-80 trucks a day. As an addition, Hamas has also been stealing medical \ food supplies from those trucks. Israel may be using a ton of force now - But they sure do have a reason to do it.
F33l1ngz get your facts straight. Before this war began, during the ceasefire, israel was NOT allowing any aid into palestine, aid from the red cross or the UN, even though they had declared Gaza conditions as unfit for humanity. Why would thy block this aid? they were not losing out by giving their own supplies? FOR WHAT REASON WERE THEY NOT ALLOWING AID TO ENTER WHEN IT WAS DRASTICALLY NEEDED? Hamas is not the problem. During the last election, the US and Israel were pushing for "democracy" in palestine. The people voted, they voted for Hamas. Then the Us and Israel said "no, we will not accept this". WHAT KIND OF DEMOCRACY IS THIS? This is more like, chose what we want you to chose, or you're screwed. This is not democracy.
and to reply to ST12, of course they are not interested in peace. Killing this many civillians will just incite more hatred and more acts of revenge for people families and friends being killed, and their lands, homes, schools, hospitals being destroyed. Any sane person knows this. Any person who supports Israel right now is equivelant to them supporting hitler. If you are unaware, Gaza is currently considered one big concentration camp.
Do you really want to open a channel of fight about democracy with me? Here's a few lovely facts: Hitler was also democratically elected. Hamas had "Destruction of Israel" as a part of their campaign election. Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, is the president of the Palestinian National Authority. After the election, he made Ismail Haniyeh, the head of Hamas, the new Prime Minister. Abu Mazen [Mahmoud Abbas] once wanted the destruction of Israel. He then toned down and now supports a crackdown on terrorism - stating that the world already recognizes the Palestinian right to have a country, now they have to work democratically to get one. Timeline: Is that what you call democracy? He was fired from his position, and in return just conquered by shooting the other side. Abu Mazen will also resign from his position in around a month, and then the Hamas will be unstoppable. Congratulations.
Exactly. Because the German Jews were determined to destroy Germany because the existence of Germany offended their God. Because of this the German Jews launched non-stop terrorist acts on the citizens of Germany by sending suicide bombers and shooting rockets at them. It's the exact same situation, really.
If that is true than I can't say I support Israels bombing of 'civilian" targets... but if someone voted in favour of having isreal destroyed... is that really that much different than being the one elected and trying to have Isreal destroyed? I personally don't think there is that much of a difference, and can see why Israel would target anyone who voted for Hamas knowing part of their campaign was to destroy Israel. If I vote for a politican who comes right out and says he is going to raise taxes than I have absolutely no right to complain about a tax raise. I just have to sit back and enjoy the resprecussions of what I voted for. If any Palestinian voted for Hamas, knowing they intended to try to destroy Israel then they were not only 100% postive there would be a war but 100% supported a war against Israel. How can you destroy a country without a war? And if you voted for a war, you can't sit around and cry for help just because you're losing the war.
I think the two-state solution has failed...because Gaza and the West Bank are being treated as if they are parts of Israel. There is meddling with local elections, strict police control of the borders, and because of the location of Gaza, it will always be a buffer zone. It is not reasonable to harass a new state, punish them for the results of their election, instigate civil war over the issue of how to treat the hostile "parent sate," blockade and overrun the general population with extreme force and brutality because the "sovereign state" did not conform the results of the election to the liking of her neighbor. Gaza is not, and has never been, a true sovereign state. Autonomy is a farce. And about the rockets...yes, they are regrettable. Yet there are alternatives to invasion. Why not relocate the residents of Sderot and other affected areas, rather than cause all this death? It sounds extreme, until you realize that is exactly what the IDF has told the Gazans to do...and they haven't a place to go or pot to piss in. There were always ways to earn a peace with the Palestinian people. A good place to start would be right of return, with full citizenship and property reparations, for the Palestinian refugees since 1948. I don't think there can ever be peace unless the government of Israel itself is sufficiently balanced to represent the needs of the Arab minority. An Arab prime minister in Israel might bridge the gap... The other headlines that day will read, "Pig collides with 747" and "Hell announces ice exports to begin immediately."
F33: Your facts are correct, but you fail to mention that during the last election, Hamas was elected by the people! ...Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament, according to official election results announced Thursday, trouncing the governing Fatah party... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html Also, i think you are misinformed about the situation in Gaza, you think that israel is so great and they have been supplying aid to to gaza. Here are just a few bits from some news articles. 1) Israel prevents the import of a list of specific essential humanitarian goods requested by aid agencies, including some fuel supplies, spare parts, cement, technical assistance and cotton for hygiene items. Israeli allows 2.2 million litres of EU-supplied industrial diesel per week, which is not enough to keep Gaza's main power plant operating at full capacity. (why do they only allow this much? its not like they are supplying the oil, why not let in enough?) Hospitals experience power cuts for 8-12 hours a day and depend on generators to run basic facilities, although there is a shortage of diesel. School has been disrupted by electricity cuts; classes with high energy consumption such as IT have been cancelled; Gazans' lives are mostly characterised by insecurity according to the agencies: military presence and attacks, extra-judicial assassinations, loss of land, restrictions on movement, lack of drinking water, unemployment, and barriers to healthcare and education. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7191359.stm MARCH 6 2008 2) Israel has permitted limited aid and fuel deliveries into the Gaza Strip, which it has closed to virtually all supplies for the past three weeks. Before Wednesday, it had been permitted to bring 16 trucks into Gaza in three weeks, but needed 15 a day to cover the basics, deputy commissioner general Filippo Grandi told AFP news agency. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7750417.stm -------------- Israel always says that these measures it is taking is in response to rocket fire by Hamas, but the rockets dont stop, and the palestinian people suffer. SO this method is obviously not working effectively, but they continue to allow the palestinian people to suffer, which in return causes more of a response by Hamas.
Situation: You wake up tomorrow and hear a large alarm noise. A rocket falls near your house. The government decides that instead of attacking those who shot the rockets, they will evict your city and negotiate peace. That's how absurd it sounds. There are no refugees. No one forces them out, they decided to leave. If so, how come there are around 1.5 million Arabs living in Israel? Bridge the gap? An Arab prime minister in Israel means he will change the name to Palestine, get rid of the Jews and announce a nationality change. Personal note: You live in a fantasy world. Those Arabs who live in Gaza don't want to live in Israel. They want to destroy it, get rid of the Jews and have a Palestinian country. When you do something like this - , don't be surprised if you get torn to shreds later.
Situation : you wake up and you find that your mother , father and all your family are dead . what will you feel in that time ?
Situation: you elect people to shoot to another country, you then start a war with them. Your mother, father and all of your family also voted for them. You wake up and find that your mother, father and all your family are dead. What will you feel?
let's assume that part of their campaign is "destroy Israel" which is not true, what about the other parts of the campaign? people have different reasons why they want to vote, and its been proven that most voted for Hamas because Fatah is corrupted. the other thing, Hamas is not a stone, they are more flexible than Israel which rejected every chance for peace since its establishment that was based on terror and killing: we can't say that people voted for Hamas because Hamas wants to destroy Israel after Hamas dropped that call to destroy Israel, this is only another excuse and cover for Israel to practice its old hobby in killing Palestinians which started in 1948, 39 years before the establishment of Hamas. let's not forget that Hamas accepted a state within 1967 borders (not including Palestinian lands occupied in 1948) as a way to end the conflict and reach peace, and they agreed on the Arab initiative. Israel on the other hand rejected this and many others, simply because they are not interested in peace, or in giving Palestinians their rights that they stole. I believe yes Israel is not interested in peace because peace means give back lands, remove illegal settlements, and stop stealing natural sources, peace for them is what they are having right now where for example 500 settlers in Hebron get 85% of water while more than 120,000 Palestinians get the rest 15%.