From that article: "The Saudi wing of al Qaeda recently threatened to renew its campaign of violence." Last I checked as Qaeda wasn't christian or jewish....stop denying that your "brothers" are terrorists...
Perhaps its because these 3 countries inflict so much pain on others around the world, more so than other nations. Can you blame people for disliking them?
When did I say AL Qaeda was Jewish or Christian? And no I doubt my brother is a terrorist so yes I will deny it. Him a terrorists?!
So Israel is the most hated country? Well I just check the stats of turism over there and I must conclude different. I wonder who was questioned.
This make perfect since if you think about it. Much of the Islamic world is unified in it's hate of Israel. That's a billion+ people. Iran is the wests threat du jour. That's 600 million The US is the sole superpower and immeasurably rich so it is the natural chose of poor folk looking for someone to blame their problems on.
But that's not a valid point, it's just a presumption you made and here's why it's wrong: Population of countrys that according to you "hate" jews: Iran (pop. 70,049,262 people), Syria (pop. 19,043,000 people), Lebanon (pop. 3,874,050 people), palestinians (pop. 9,395,000 (estimated) people), Iraq (pop. 26,783,383 people). Assuming every single person in those countrys hates Israel the number of Israel hating people in those countrys is roughly 130 million people. The total muslim population in the world is around 1.4-1.6 billion people (according to wikipedia). So the 130 million israel hating people are less than 10% of the muslim population. Please explain me how is less than 10% a majority. I never said you should get your news from me. But do you ever see on the news that a muslim family from a muslim country woke up in the morning, went to work, came back home, spent some quality time with their friends and family and then went to bed? NO, why? Because that's not good NEWS. The only news you hear about muslims is that another guy blown himself up or that somebody wants to destroy Israel. So, if you look back over the news you saw about muslims for a period of let's say, one year, and 100% of the news you saw were about muslims blowing themselfs up you assume that 100% of the muslims are just terrorist who's only goal is to blow themselfs up to kill you and your family. A clear indication that watching only the news makes you believe things that are not true is your statement that "most muslims hate Israel...thats a point". You should try watching some documentarys about muslim culture, maybe talk to some muslims to see how they think, maybe travel to a muslim country to see how they leave, basicly try to understand their culture instead of making your opinion about 1.4-1.6 billion people from the news. Nowhere in the survey it sais they are the least "liked" country. It sais it has the most negative image which is a completely different thing. And NO, I don't hate jews or anyone else. And please explain why you consider this survey to be pointless? I just shows the people's opinions. "However, I don't personally know of other countries that hate israel...can you name some that are not muslim influenced countries?" this was your question ^ "I could name 1930's Germany, Italy and all the other countrys that had fascist countrys and they were all christians. So, anti-semitism has nothing to do with being muslim" This was my answer ^ 1.Can you please explain what lead you to the conclusion that I said amadenawhatever didn't call for the destruction of Israel 2. Saying that "hating Israel is a part of being muslim" is a big misconception. Firstly because ,as I said before, less than 10% of the muslims come from israel-hating countrys and secondly because the israeli-muslim conflict only started roughly 60 years before. I really don't see how hating israelis would become a part of being a muslim in such a short period of time. I'm looking forward to your responses. Peace iul
You will find a lot of xenophobic people here in this Politics and Religion forum iul. You will not get any sympathy for Muslims here as most of the posters here have been brainwashed into thinking that anyone with a moustache and a turban is a terrorist. It's all about land for pipelines, Oil and "no bid" contracts. And business is very good at the moment for the Bush cabal.
Nobody uses "all" word, that's not true, most is better And your problem is that you just don't know much about muslims/arabs, maybe in your area it's not common + you or one of your family doesn't "feel" terror on his own flesh. Maybe if that happend you were study more better the situation and knew better about muslims/arabs (Not all of them but I'm talking in general).
Its still my point, which I own.. What you are forgetting is how many people actually did the survey...they only asked 1000 people from each country...all it would take is the majority of the people to hate Israel...since 12 countries were rated, it wouldn't take a large percentage to get the majority...don't forget those that immigrate to other countries...we have plenty of muslims in the US that hate Israel... I have seen plenty or articles about good muslims...but it seems to me that there are more out there chanting "death to the infidels" rather than those saying "down with those that destroy our religion"....so if I shouldn't watch the news, or get it from you, when should I get it? Where should I go to find out about all the good muslims in the world? Yes, I know they leave their countries...they go to other countries to get away from the oppresion, right? Check out the title of this thread....nuff said. Are you going to say that the original poster twisted the whole situation to his liking? 1.you said that anti-semitism had nothing to do with being muslim....How come you don't hear of Christians or any other religious group calling for the annihilation of Israel like you hear Iran doing? Iran is a muslim country...they hate Israel...they have support of other Muslim countries.. 2. Just because less than 10% come from israel hating countries doesn't mean they arn't also in other places around the world....the muslim-israel conflict has been around since Islam started...its always been about who is in control of the temple mount and Jerusalem...to say it has only been around for 60 years shows your lack of knowledge...
Its no surprise that israel,iran and usa top the list of least liked nations in the world. Israel has a serious attitude problem
1. Simply because you own your point it doesn't mean it's true. I provided some statistics to proove your point is false. You provided no statistics or anything to proove your point is true, you just said that it's yours. Do you believe your point because you came up with it or because you believe it's true? Because if you believe that it's true than you should provide some proof that's it true. 2. This part has nothing to do with the survey. It was to proove that your point of view was not correct. You said that "most muslims hate Israel" and I've provided some statistics to proove your statement is false. If you have any proof that "most muslims hate Israel" then I'll be glad to see it. I'm a very open-minded guy. 3. I'm not saying the muslims are any better or any worse than non muslims. What I'm saying is that you should never for your opinion about anything by what you see on the news simply because the news only present things which attract audience. And we all know that sex and violence sells. That's why if you hear something about the muslims on the news it's probably be something like "a guy blown himself up killing x number of people" and you don't get headlines like "1.5 billion muslims had a peaceful day today enjoying life" This statement of yours is a clear indication that you must never form opinions based on what you see on the news. Of course it seems there are more people chanting the death of infidels because that's getting more media because violence sells well. Well, I made a typo there, I actually meant to say "see how they live" not "see how they leave". 4. It matters what the survey sais not how the thread opener named the thread. And the survey clearly sais Israele has the "most negative image". It doesn't say it's the most hated or least liked just like it doesn't say that canada is the most liked. It sais that Canada "had the most positive rating" which obviously doesn't mean it's the most loved country in the world 5. Dude, what are you talking about? Antisemitism has been around for a very long time, Read this article about antisemitism. And yes, Iran is a muslim country and it does have the support of other countrys. But the number of countries that support Iran are a minority covering less than 10% of the total muslim population therefore making such a generalisations as saying that "hating jews is a part of being muslim" makes no sense. A majority is 50%+ not 10% 6. Yes, that is absolutely correct. But at the same time it's also true that maybe not every single person in those countrys hate Israel. 7. That's a very interesting statement. Could you please mention a single, jewish - muslim armed conflict in the middle east before the 1940's? I'm asking for just ONE That's all for now. I'm looking forward to see what proof you can provide to back your statements because so far you have only presented your point of view without any evidence. Peace iul P.S.: just a quick question: Do you hate muslims?
true, but neither is your point of always sticking up for terrorists and those that hate Israel and the USA... http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21939_RoP_Raging_Around_the_World http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000365.html http://stuffucanuse.com/bombing_commentry/muslims_hate_the_west.htm http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060716212814AA7K4VL and my personal fav: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/021607HatingIsrael.aspx I'm still wondering why A) you are defending these guys, and B) we don't hear about any jews, sikhs, hindus, or any other religion doing this... really, again, then where would you like me to get my news?? I see how they live, I have a mosque right down the street...they don't bother anyone, however, that is not the case for all muslims...I never said I hate all muslims, I said I don't like the terrorists and those that support them...please find it where I say "I hate all muslims". negative image means that people don't like the image it is portraying...I bet you or anyone else on that survey could not name one thing canada is doing right now....the facts are this...given the list of countries, Israel is way more popular than Canada, therefore it is more widely recognized, and obviously disliked (is that a better word for you than hate??) read the above links.... heres some more: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2341971921/m/8471907726 maybe not...however, the govt's of those countries do, and the citizens elect the govt... The covenant of Omar 638 AD (est.)...when Caliph Omar Ibn al-Khattab came into Jerusalem and made it a Muslim City... http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm No, I have friends that are muslim....As I said before, I hate Muslim terrorists and those that support them...you do a good job of defending them btw...
I stood up for muslims because I believe just a small proportion of them hate Israel and the US not not most of them as you are portraying them. And believe me, I hate terrorism as much as you do. That's a nice collection of links but they are all biased if you ask me. Look at the yahoo answers link for example: "Muslims hate Christians, or any other group that does not practice the religion of Islam." This is just a what this person believes it's not proof. If this would be true, than why are your muslim friends still friends with you if they hate you? It makes no sense does it? A) If by "these guys" you mean muslims in general then I defend them because I don't really think they are all just a bunch of USA and Israel hating terrorist like some people portray them B) Maybe because they have no direct contact with them? Because other religions have discrimined jews specially in Europe Considering I never said you shouldn't get your news from where you are getting them right now, or that your news source is not good I really wonder why you keep asking me where you should get your news from. All I said is don't judge anything based on what you get on the news about that subject because all you will get is stereotypes. I have to agree with you here 100%. There are certainly a LOT of muslims who do hate Israel, USA, and maybe everyone who are not muslim but those are just a small proportion of the total muslim population I don't think I ever acused you of hating all muslims. I agree with you 100% again. That's because the news I get aren't any better than the news you or anyone else gets. They are doing anything just to get their ratings up. Peace doesn't sell like violence does. Yes, Israel is way more popular than Canada but I don't think people have a negative image / dislike / hate Israel simply because it's popular. I mean, I think you have to agree with me that France and Japan are also popular countrys right? But how come those countrys have positive ratings? It means that being popular doesn't necessarily result in being viewed negatively. QUOTE FROM THE SURVEY: << "It appears that people around the world tend to look negatively on countries whose profile is marked by the pursuit of military power," said Steven Kull, director of the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, which conducted the research along with pollster GlobeScan. >> Again, I think you have to agree with me that all of the countries in the top 3 of "negative image" have been implicated in some kind of armed comflict. North Korea was also viewd negatively. Was that because they are jews? No, because they aren't. Was that because they supported either Israel or the muslim terrorists? No, because they didn't. They are viewed negatively because they are agressive. I checked the first link, here's a quote from it: <<'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies>> correct, but many times politicians don't deliver what they have promiced during their campaign. One example would be Nixon. He promiced to end the war in Vietnam but the war stillc carryed on for a number of years. My point is you never really know what hidden agenda a politician may have. I must admit this caught me by sruprise, I could never find any data about any armed conflict between jews and arabs in the middle east before 1940's . It's a nice article. It also prooves that hating jews is a part of being muslim as you claimed is not true. Here are a few quotes from the article: <<During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's. The rulers allowed Christians and Jews to keep their religions.>> So, they conquered them but they allowed to live there. If hating jews is a part of being muslim don't you think they would have just killed them all? <<The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years. Initially they were replaced by the Fatimid rulers of Egypt. The Fatimids took advantage of the Seljuk struggles with the Christian crusaders. They made an alliance with the crusaders in 1098 and captured Jerusalem, Jaffa and other parts of Palestine. The Crusaders, however, broke the alliance and invaded Palestine about a year later. They captured Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1099, slaughtered many Jewish and Muslim defenders and forbade Jews to live in Jerusalem. They held the city until 1187. In that year, the Muslim ruler Saladin conquered Jerusalem. The Crusaders then held a smaller and smaller area along the coast of Palestine, under treaty with Saladin. However, they broke the treaty with Saladin and later treaties. Crusade after crusade tried unsuccessfully to recapture Jerusalem. >> So, it was actually christians who killed jews and forbid them to live in Israel <<In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine. Arab-speaking Muslims made up most of Palestine's population. Beginning in the late 1300's, Jews from Spain and other Mediterranean lands settled in Jerusalem and other parts of the land. The Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine.>> So, the ottomans, who were a muslim state, actually invite jews to settle in Israel to escape the Spanish Catholic inquisiton. I'm glad to hear you hate the ones who deserve to be hated and not all muslims just because they are muslims. you are making a mistake here, I've never defended terrorism or any other form of conflict Cheers iul
Then say it better....over all these posts, this past one is the first one where you have said you are trying to defend islam and not terrorism....however, to me personally, I am still not sure how you do that when you have muslim terrorists who constantly quote the koran...if you want to avoid arguing with lots of people on here (like me), then make sure you are doing your part for standing up for your religion...just saying that those people are not muslim will not help your cause, when they are viewed by the world as muslims... I believe you that you do not support terrorism, but you need to do a better job of seperating yourself and the good muslims of the world from them...expecially on here if you don't want flak for it. Its been fun.