Israel is peaceful ?!

@Will.Spencer

"74% of female children as used as sex slaves " , From where the **** did you get this stupid information ? That is 100% wrong , I live here and I know about Egypt much more than you do , These cases are very rare and only in villages where people are driven by traditions and not religion , so you aren't gonna lie about that . Personally I wouldn't bother to reply to your posts because you post lies .

Anyway , And regarding that Irani woman , LOL I need you to prove it from the Quran , else shut up . Being a Muslim doesn't mean I believe any other Muslim , Iran are mainly Shi'a and they have different belief in many things . I'm not sure about that woman you mentioned is sunni or shi'a but that won't matter alot for me because it's not in the Quran .

ohh ,, So That doesn't Exist in Hindu India ?? LOL .

As said , No need for me to bother reading lots of your lies and fake stats , You aren't gonna lie to me about that because I'm 100% sure about my information regarding underage marriage in Egypt .

Well I'm not an Extremist like you , You are Islamofobic Extremist so you wouldn't bother to know the truth , You'll just believe the opinion which confirms what you already believe .

 

Scroll back up until you get to the part that says "A report by Egypt's National Council for Childhood and Motherhood ..."

Reading Is Fundamental.

One, you did respond to my post. Two, your inability to accept the truth does not "magically" turn the truth into lies. No pink pony for you.

Irani woman? Are you referring to the Ayatollah Khomeini?

Let's see where your knowledge of history and Islam breaks down.

1. Do you deny that Muhammad molested girls as young as six years old?
2. Do you deny that Muhammad had sex with girls as young as nine years old?
3. Do you deny that Muhammad raided merchant caravans and captured slaves -- many of whom were then used as sex slaves?
4. Do you believe that you as a Muslim can forbid the things which Muhammad stated were lawful?

 

LOL , I can give you any fake statistics and tell you I got it from a Governmental source , got any prove it's from the NCCME ?. Please link me to the Egypt's National Council for Childhood and Motherhood site where you read it . Don't link me to answering islam or your sites .

1- Nope , It was just like paper (oral) marriage when she was 6 or 8 .
2- Not sure about this , I didn't see any Hadith for Prophet Muhammed saying that , Got a prove ? but please quote from Bukhari Aisha said that , etc .. I need the prophet said that + a Verified Hadith .
3- LOL , That never happened . Islam is based on peace and many verses stated not to attack anybody unless they attack us .
4- Saying Things is Lawful doesn't mean I have to do it , For example eating vegetables is allowed but I don't like most of vegetables , Hope you got it .

yeah and I was meaning that man , I have never even heard of him , I've just googled his name and found that he is shi'a , Shi'as don't have similar belief as Sunnis .

 

Only 1% of your people live in cities and 99% in villages.
How do you know what they are doing on a daily basis, whom they are rape, molest and sodomize?
Or maybe you're basing your stats only on those who were cut with their pants down?

Are you saying they don't believe in Allah?
Can you explain what exactly you are saying?



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So many issues have risen in this post that it's hard to know where to start. But I'll try to address all the important issues in no particular order:

1. The quotes and "Hadith" you are quoting are weak and are not considered accurate or valid.

2. The U.N. statistics are indeed valid.... however, this brings me to my next point: THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CULTURE AND RELIGION. Why can no one understand this? Why is it so difficult for us to divide the two from each other. When Timothy McVay destroyed a building, I didn't hear anyone saying ALL Christians are terrorists. The people committing acts of rage and terrorism are not true Muslims. There is a specific hadith that declares that DURING A WAR, Muslims are not allowed to kill women, children, elders, or even peaceful young MEN working in their fields. When Muslims do not follow this basic rule, then they will be held accountable for their actions in this life or the next. We cannot hold Islam in general accountable for the actions of specific individuals.

3. The Arab culture has so many flaws in it and stupid traditions that are UN-ISLAMIC. Yet books are written about the evils of Islam by looking at the culture alone. This is insane!!! In America, there are robberies, rape, murder, serial killing, and every sin you can think of, but I don't see anyone criticizing this as it being their culture and claiming that it is due to religion.

4. The Hadith that are reliable come from two main sources: Bukhari and Muslim. Any other hadith, which is the saying or doing of the Prophet, are considered weak and at times invalid by the scholars. The reason for this, is that the two scholars "Bukhari" and "Muslim" were meticulous when it came to collecting Hadith and did not quote anyone and everyone. The person had to have been known for credibility, honesty, and integrity (as well as other qualities) so that his quotations can even be considered. Many other hadith books contain quotations that have not been verified as closely and cannot be considered ACCURATE.

5. It is indeed sickening that a smiley face be put after that picture. This picture, whomever it belongs to, is a sad and tragic picture.

6. Although the picture might be fake, I honestly do not know, I have seen so many pictures of this that it makes me cry when I see more pictures of injustice towards ANY human being.

7. Please be aware, I have said this so many times to so many people, that the media is biased. What you see might not be true. I was shocked when I saw what is actually happening when I came overseas. Oftentimes, each side only shows what promotes their own beliefs. When you put both images together, then you can get a better picture of what is actually going on. I know an incident when (I was in NJ at the time) a Palestinian man killed 8 Israelis in a school setting. Israel then responded by killing 300 people INCLUDING women and children. The tragedy of the 8 Israelis was announced in my University and everyone heard about it and pitied the Israelis. Yet the death of 300 Palestinians was not even acknowledged. I found that sickening. This is not payback, this is simply revenge.

8. This is just merely a thought for you to ponder about: Which is better, to marry a 10 year old (BTW, no longer popular in developed world, and educated in terms of both Islamic education and regular education) and have children from her living in the security blanket of a family, OR to allow a 10 year old girl have sex freely and have a baby (slowly becoming more common) without the security of a family.

9. Men who beat their wives are not following Islam correctly. Muhammad NEVER beat his wife and such practice is not condoned Islamically. Unfortunately, tradition and culture are a different thing.

10. Finally, to use any websites that are specifically designed to be anti-Islamic, anti-Sematic, or anti-Christian is contrary to logic. They will be biased and use whatever "proof" they have regardless of accuracy or whether they are cultural practices instead of religion based ideas.

Understand this point: Jews and Christians were held under the microscope in their respective times, now it's time for Islam to undergo the knife. Every time, a Muslim INDIVIDUAL does something regardless of impact, then the entire Muslim community and religion will be held in question. It is imperative that we can differentiate between what individuals or terrorist groups do in comparison what Islam, as a religion, is all about.

 

dont limit yourself with the hadith only. the same is true for the quran too.

the majority of the cultures which practices these inhuman practices are islamic nations. had those cultures followed say buddism or hinduism or chirstanity or sikhis or judism or jainsim or whatever i would had pointed my finger on that religion.

pls refer to point 1.

forget the hadith, talk about the quran.

agree. the dead should rest in peace. but sad thats not the way for many like the OP. sadly in the islamic world guys like the op are in majority.

and let me quote ChaosTrivia

true.

dont count bodies to compare the severity of any crime. death of innocent should be condemned at all cost.

now the question is how isreal or the world at large should respond to an ideology which propagates only hatred and has no values to human life. how the world respond to that society that supports that evil.

here (in india) there has been incidences where a child (of a poor family, mainly muslim) is being "married" off to an old sheik (who is rich). now do you support such marriages? such blankets are blankets of hell for that innocent kid.

now this is news to me.

yes all religion has been through microscope. and if any fault has been found, the same has been duely rectified. the resistance to rectify the errors in islam is unparalleled.

 

just kidding same as my previous sentence!

 

LOL , Do you give numbers out of your brain ? Cairo is estimated to have 17 Million Living in it , Alexandria is also having a big population but not sure about it .

Regarding the second part of your post , I mean people in Villages don't even have good education so they don't have religious education either , I have dealt with many people from villages before and they were asking "how to pray " and such questions . I'm not generalizing , but I mean many of those don't have that religious base , What they are doing is expressing traditions and happens in Hindu countries like India so It has nothing to do with religion .

 

This is the only source that have been consistently mentioned. Feel free to bring forth the verses that you are so bothered by.

As you said and you further prove my point, these incidents do indeed occur. But I would like to emphasize the POOR and most likely UNEDUCATED families that practice this. I do not condone this but it happens. And I have also heard of stories where people sold their children all over the world and they were definitely not Muslim. Poor, uneducated families do things that are not considered appropriate or even humane. They do it for whatever circumstance they live in and think it makes sense. Their logic cannot even be slightly fathomed by middle or upper class families. However, blaming this on Islam is not the solution.

This is exactly my point. Regardless of where you are, you will find problems. That doesn't justify the sodomy or marriage of very young children. However, things have to be put in perspective. Places where Buddhism and Hinduism are the main religions burn their women and bury them alive with their dead husbands. Let's face it, crimes against women and children are not limited to these places. The fact of the matter is that as long as education is not a priority in ANY country regardless of its prevalent religion, these crimes will continue. Islam is not the main religion in India, yet the crimes against women are common. I have also seen the pictures and statistics as my mother works in UNICEF against all of this.

Refer to my previous point

I am not!!! The life of every single person is precious and should not be taken as lightly as it is today. How many times do we hear that another person was murdered or killed and we just ignore it as it has become so common. Only mass killings get our attention these days such as the murders in Virginia tech if you remember. My point though is that to kill 300 people for 8 is illogical and inhumane. I am not justifying the death of the 8 people but the fact that the 300 people basically died in vain and no one even heard about them, is tragic. Just as these 8 inviduals were honored by my public University, the lives of those 300 people should at least be acknowledged as they were also CITIZENS, women and children. You are a huge advocate of Israel because you don't know the facts. Here is a summary of the following links:
6,430 Palestinians have been killed from Sep. 2000 till 2010 compared to 1,084. This is greatly misrepresented in which 100-200% Israeli deaths are reported with repeated counting of deaths. On the other hand, 35% of Palestinian deaths are reported and this figure goes to as low as 13% reportage (in different incidents). Look at the following sites that give you all the statistics. One is an Isreali information website that has all the figures.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html
ISRAELI Information Center:
http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

As for the idea that Israelis respect the dead and don't broadcast it, the dead of the Palestinians is 6 times as much in total but sometimes reaches more than 22 times the number of Israeli deaths. Have you ever considered that their broadcasting this information is a cry for help and despair?? The figures speak for themselves and so I wouldn't even bother.

Look at the figures and tell me if it really is Israel who is "responding" to hatred and evil rather than instigating and promoting it while claiming innocence.

You say it is news that the prophet did not beat his women? I would like to know the source of your information which claims that he did. It's a shame that we bring out negative aspects of Islam and women, when in fact it was Islam that brought them justice. For your information, Arabs before the prophet BURIED their infant daughters. They were like furniture, abused, married off with no regards to their desire or opinion, and could not own anything. When Islam came it gave them rights and forbade the burial of daughters because of their sex. When they work nowadays, any money they have is theirs even if they're married. Men are in charge of taking care of the house and their wife and children. At the same time, if the woman is working she can keep all money and has absolutely no obligation to give him a penny of her money. Don't forget that women were not treated correctly even in Europe and the United States up until recently; women were allowed to vote only within the last 100 years. The Prophet had given them these rights including equality rights 1,400 years ago. No one likes to mention these facts but focus on the messed up traditions of underdeveloped places and poor families and claim that this is how Islam is.

 

Go look for it yourself. Get your head out of your ass and look at the world around you. Free Muslims isn't an anti-Muslim site, it is a Muslim site. It is run by and for Muslims. You would know this if you would pull your head out of your ass and open your eyes. You cannot learn until you stop being afraid of the truth. Al-Masri Al-Yawm broke this story originally. If they can admit to these issues, so can you.

Wiki Islam: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Aisha links to more original sources than you are likely ever to read.

Start educating yourself here: Muhammad's Raids and Battles. Here's a hint:

Before getting into details, it is necessary to know of the nature of Muhammad’s battles. Out of the 27 or so battles, only the battle of Uhd and Khandaq were exempted from being offensive. All others were purely offensive onslaughts. More important point here is Muhammad’s raids or better known as “Ghazws” These were raids carried out against helpless people to robe and plunder them. ​

You cannot be a good Muslim and forbid people from selling their daughters as sex slaves:

Quran 5:87 O ye who believe! Forbid not the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you, and transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not transgressors.​

Heck, you can't even choose to not murder people:

Quran 2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. ​

Both follow Muhammad -- which is where this trouble started. Khomeini has obviously studied Muhammad, the Quran, and the Hadiths more than you.

They are following Islam and you are not. Who then is lacking in education?

 

- Hahahahaa , First you Failed to link me to an official governmental Egyptian site stating that statistics . So You failed to prove the first one .

- Yeah , Please show me a verse from the Quran stating that , If u know about islam really . Or a Valid Hadith by the Prophet himself .

- Ghazawas were not aimed to attack , it was aimed to defend .

- LOL Who said Allah has allowed that ? , Please don't tell me Ayatollah ali khomeini said that , because I'm not Shi'a and I don't agree with him . Please Get me a verse from Qur'an saying " you must sell your daughter as ..... "

So here you FAIL again because Qur'an never stated that

- Yeah , Warfare but I think you don't know what it means in Quran , It means defending against attackers .

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits ( attacking others ) ; for Allah loveth not transgressors. "

So I notice you have no knowledge of what you are talking about , yet you are so certain about what you say even if it's wrong and blind to know the truth .

Regarding the last line , It's totally crap because you just speak out of ignorance , They are following traditions Not Islam .

So yeah , you Failed More than Twice here . Failed to prove that the statistics you got are true , Failed to get a Valid Hadith or a verse from Quran that proves what you said regarding Aiesha .

 

1. Why would Will need to provide you with an official government link? Do your own research into it. Also, I doubt your government would publish documents saying that a huge majority of you rape kids - or maybe they would, as it's the norm there.

2. I've read the Qu'ran twice and I think I know it a lot better than you :S Pretty weird considering I'm an Atheist, but then again, maybe that's why. Why can't you do your own research? How do you have so little knowledge or your own religion?

3. The Qu'ran does discuss Muhammad in a way that paints him as a child rapist, murderer and someone who did in fact start fights. That's your religion.

4. Allah has allowed the anal rape of children, just not vaginal penetration. He also allows you to have sex with livestock if you kill it and do not sell the meat to your own village.

5. "Warfare" is not, nor has it ever been defined, as taking a defensive stance.

Stop pestering Will and learn your own "holy" book - I hope you aren't one of those retarded muslims who claims the qu'ran doesn't allow men to hit women. Are you? Do you agree the qu'ran states a man can hit his wife? (As a last resort after yelling at her, sleeping apart and then not on her "sensitive areas" or to leave a mark.)

 

I think you might be wasting your time with Phil Spencer, he gets a kick out of spreading propaganda, deaf, dumb and blind comes to mind.

 

elberenergy is just burying his little head in the sand because he's afraid of the truth.

The truths we have laid as his feet, he has turned around so as not to see. And yet he begs for more truth, just so he can ignore it.

We provide evidence from the Quran and Hadiths; he provides only mindless denials. He has yet to actually contribute a single fact to the discussion.

elberenergy, read the links provided in answer to your begging. It's time that you began to act like a grown up instead of a spoiled and petulant child.

 

@ Alexis Petrov ,

Your reply makes no sense , I have asked him for Verses and Proof because I know very well these things aren't mentioned in Quran and he won't be able to prove it through Qur'an , So this is why I'm asking .
2- Mention a verse from Quran speaking about the relation between the prophet and Aiesha at a young age . Surprised you found non so you just want to improve your image saying research it yourself ? , Well then if you don't have a proof from Quran then No need to talk at all about it .
3- Prove it from the Quran , You said you read it twice , that's good , Now prove what you are saying , else I won't bother even googling it .
4- It never allowed that , Get me a Verse from Quran that states that . Don't get me an unvalid Hadith .
5- I think Qur'an in Arabic not English , Am I mistaken ?

I know alot more in Islam than you do , Prove your claims else it's just nonsense . I need Proofs from Qur'an .
Regarding hitting wives , yeah it stated that , but it stated not to hit her unfairly or strongly . Let me give you an example : If you find your wife kissing another man , I have rights to hit her . This example isn't Quoted but It's just to make the idea clear enough .


Thanks for taking the time to answer .
Failed to prove your points either .
So yeah here I win the debate again .

 

Yeah , I like tanning in the sun alot . It's cool enough . You are describing yourself , actually you are unable to answer my request for proofs so you begin to criticize me . Well this proves that you are unable to answer my requests .

Truth without Evidence is meaningless , How can you define your lies as " Truth " ? , Prove the statistics you posted , you or Alexis Petrov said Government wouldn't put such statisitcs , so how did you get it ? from a crap site claiming that the government said that ? . I live in Egypt and the Youngest marriage I have ever seen was an 18 years old and it was criticized from the Family . So I'm 100% sure that the stats you got is fake and only aims to give a bad stereotype .

 

Of course you do, even in America. Of course you would be arrested for assault and perhaps serve some time in one of our lovely prisons, but you certainly have the ability to hit her. I got news for you pal, there are very few Muslims in America who believe it is OK to hit your wife, EVER. It happens, by both Muslims and non Muslims, but it most definitely is not OK, regardless of what the Quran says. If you find your wife kissing another guy, I'd guess it is a strong signal she doesn't love you anymore. An intelligent person would move on to a new younger and hotter wife.

 

Don't worry about me , I don't live in the USA . I'm not Married either . LOL , what do I have to do with this ? , Personally I wouldn't hit "my wife " if I'm married , AlexisPetrov asked me about Qur'an and I answered .

 

If "winning" is the same as "burying your head in the sand and ignoring all evidence", then you certainly do win!

Go read the truths provided to you. Excerpts are provided from the Quran and Hadiths, but those seem to scare you.

Here are a couple of excerpts from Sahih Bukhari for you to deny and hide from:

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.​

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).​

Muhammad was a child rapist. Dare you forbid what Muhammad has made lawful?

You have no rights to hit your wife for kissing another man. Anyone who believes like that is a primitive screwhead -- barely better than an ape. There is no justification, outside of physical force, for initiating physical force.

In Sahih Muslim we see Muhammad physically assaulting Aisha because she expressed fear of him:

This proves that Muhammad was a barbarian ape-man with no more civilization than a dog.

Of course, if you as a Muslim criticize Muhammad, you can be executed in this world and condemned to hell in the next. So, as a Muslim, you are forced to support slavery, rape, child molestation, and wife-beating -- because to condemn those practices would be to condemn the prophet himself.