I agree with gdev on this matter, and I believe that both Israel, Libanon and Palestina have blood on their hands. There is no innocent country/state/group. I think that the discussion are in fact two discussions; One discussion is related to the ongoing war and the other discussion is related to the mass media manipulation that both sides (ab)use. The argument 'Hezbollah should wear uniforms and stay outside cities' is old fashioned. Guerilla tactics are part of the Hezbollah strategy and advanced weappons and heavy bombing are part of Israels strategy. Stating that it is weak from Hezbollah to blend in with civilians is just as weak as Isreal bombing those civilians. It is a new war with new rules. However, war hasn't really got rules. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that there has never been a war where both parties agreed to (and accepted) certain rules.
Yes ... it's a very complicated situation with many connected variables. The causes of actions wich some countries undertake are sometimes and sometimes not justified and are surrounded with lies / excuses and or other unworthy excuses. This is how the game in the middle east is played ... Polically very complicad and mostly hard to understand by most people. In order to form a clear and objective opinion about what goes and went on one needs to be really connected to the history, have alot of 'inside' knowledge about what happened and happens nowadays. This is NOT the majority of people. This is the readson why threads like these and discussions about this stuff never go anywhere and only result in annoyances and irritation.. (and maybe some namecalling)... the topic is just too complicated and broad ... Aside from that... truth is mostly not a popular thing... Sorry to say .. Gdev
One of the replies was asking if this was a way of israel to get back for the holocaust? of course not... It is amazing in the day we are living people still considering the jews as the cause of all evils. You still believe everything you hear in the media? even CNN which is biased towards the muslims was explaining how Hezb was controling the media to show more damage.. plus killing civilians? 1. Just because Israel doesnt allow cameras after every bomb attack in the past 6 years doesnt mean we dont get civilian causalties in our side. 2. Hiding in civilian areas, like we all know, most extreme muslims loveee to do... is not israel fault. 3. While surgically targeting Hezb, israel killed 600 innocent people.. We are sorry for that.... LUCKY FOR US, hezbollah was without any consideration targeting the most dense civilians areas possible... now you can say "ohh poor them, they have no better weapons.." well .. Thank G-d for that. 4. If israel was actually aiming at civilians.... maybe we would have killed a few hundred thousand.. don't you think ? 5. Have you ever heard of a jewish person going into a German restaurant and blasting everyone inside? of course, you will claim there has been cases... yeah... 1 guy 15 years ago, killed people in the gold dome.. quickly arrested and sentenced to life. While in the other hand, North africa, middle east, 911, philipines, new zealand, '79 US embassy, sunnis Vs. shiats... what other proof do you need of their tendency to violence? Bag!!!
These discussions are endless.... Opposed to what Netgene says there are countless counterarguments.. and it is pointless to counter-discuss because it doesn't go anywhere .. Btw. Netgene, you use the 'we' word in your post and your profile says you are from miami... So my question should be, why do you feel so connected to the conflict ? Gdev
Gtech, I hope that you don't post this stuff here as a reaction to what I write ?! I am an israeli myself and putting links to this stuff hardly means anything ... war is an ugly thing and this happen on both sides ... I don't understand that, even when you have your opionions you put links with that stuff on a forum, just to accent what YOU think .... I haven't read almost anything in this thread wich is worth thinking about and that's a shame IMO ... It's all about : "They do this"... "they do that"... But reality is far from this simplistic way of thinking ... Geez, I just hate it when people think so black and white... Gdev
gdev, you are placing way too much importance on yourself. If I feel you deserve my attention, I will provide it to you. Carry on.
Whatever .... you're entitled to your own opinion... Im not siding with anyone... all I know is that we are all tired of these problems and it's time for real solutions.. There is not future for israel or anyone else in war ... this is why I opt for a peaceful solution ... I don't think that is weird. This was my last post here in this thread... have fun you all ... with this subject wich never ends ... Gdev
Both sides use media manipulation (hell, every country at war uses media manipulation), but Israel has a far more advanced PR network. The winner writes the historybooks.
No one will ever win the who is right, who is wrong arguement. The amount of death is sad. It is unfortunate that this is a way of life for those involved and has been for years and will continue to be for years. There is media manipulation from both sides. What strikes me as curious however is how this started recently over the kidnap of two soldiers from Israel. Where are they? I thought the intention was to retrieve those two and not let up until it is done? The Israeli people are 74% in favour of continuing the war, yet the government suspends operations? I feel a new government will soon be elected into power in Israel and then a new war will start. As for Hezbollah, I think they are the result of Iran training terrorists... Lebanon has their own army and was not responsible for the kidnapping and has not taken part in the rocket attacks or the war... seems odd that a country would let that happen. If Canada had a group of people randomly kidnapping and firing rockets into the US, our own troops would kick their ass and our government would surely stand up against them. The entire middle east is a cauldron of confusion and anger... it is truly sad.