Israel has 150 nuclear weapons in its arsenal !!! OMG

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  1. imad

    imad Peon

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    #41
    what about the Jews in Germany, Russia, where are the numbers?
    what so called falsely antisemitism was far much less in Arab world than in Europe, until the Zionism came with its project of stealing other people lands by force, and started to send waves of illegal emigrants to implement this project.
     
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  2. imad

    imad Peon

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    #42
    Why do Iranian have to care about what New Yorkers think about them? which mostly is the result of their corrupted and controlled media, and propagandas that aim to create general thinking in direction of their goals in launching wars for oil and other reasons else than what been officially mentioned about liberty, and WMD and other lies?
     
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    lucozade111 Peon

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    #43
    I dont care what New Yorkers think. The world is bigger than the US!!! When will Americans realise this?

    Ask the whole world who they would rather have nukes - this is a legitimate question?

    P.S The US is brainwashed by the Israeli controlled media anyway so asking New York is irrelevant.
     
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  4. lucozade111

    lucozade111 Peon

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    #44
    Another thing the Israel lovers forget to mention. Before the end of WW2 the enemy of the Jews was Germany. As soon as Israel was formed it suddenly became the Arabs. Did the Arabs suddenly start victimising the Jews? Or could it have been, just maybe, that the Jews started all these problems?
     
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  5. imad

    imad Peon

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    #45
    it is that the Zionist started all these problems, we should mention always that occupying Palestine was a Zionist project which they start to plan in the end of 19th century, and its not a Jewish project, but Zionists called Palestine falsely "the homeland for Jews" which created an atmosphere of hostility against Jews in Arabian countries which did not exist even in Palestine itself before this project started to see light, by sending waves after waves of illegal emigrants to Palestine, and the treatment they gave to the Arabs, which been described by the Zionists themselves in that time, and after it.

    there are many Jews who are against Israel, some of them are living in Israel itself and do not recognize Israel, and try to correct the bad image Israel created about Jews worldwide by speaking to media and saying Judaism is not Zionism, two very different things, and that Palestine is for Palestinians.
     
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  6. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #46
    These are refugees they were defenseless and definitely not capable of taking others land.

    Source http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570433/six-day_war.html

     
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  7. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #47
    The Arabs brought the Six-Day War upon themselves

    Source http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...x-day_war.html
     
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  8. imad

    imad Peon

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    #48
    there is a problem with the text you quoted, it says, after "After Israel declared its statehood, several Arab states and Palestinian groups immediately attacked Israel" and it goes on to speak about the Arab/Israeli wars, passing by the events that happened in 1948 and before it very quickly,

    as its normal, and acceptable to some group of people to attack another country, and declare it as their own, and what is not normal is to refuse such attack, and the actions to resist it.

    I may understand about Germany during the ww2, but what about before this? Illegal Jewish emigration started long before ww2, and there were many options for Jewish to emigrate to during ww2, much closer (and less costly in means of money and time) than Palestine, that if been followed (even if temporarily before moving them to another destination) then it could have saved more Jews.

    and it did not stop after ww2, the highest numbers of emigrants from Russia were in 80's and 90's, what were they facing there at this time that normal Russians did not face? it will be good if numbers of Jews been shown in these countries, before ww2, during it, and after it,

    if they suffered from the brutality of Europe at that time, does it mean they should steal other people lands and cause more suffering to others so they can rest? I am sure, they have much better options than using false claims, then violence and terrorism, and force to drive people out from their homes and lands, before Zionism declared its project, and at the time were Jews were suffering in Europe, Arabian countries were welcoming them to stay in peace, but not to concentrate their staying in Palestine, and later, occupy it.
     
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    #49
    Why Bush of America is not tking any action against this, He attacked on Iraq only for that there weapons mass destruction . Are these nuclear arsenals not the weapons of mass destruction ?
    And where is UNO , the so called organisation of world countries.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #50
    While I am not for the war in Iraq, nor have I ever been for it, that was a totally different story.

    This coming from someone who believes the administration outright lied/misled the US population and the world, using 9/11 and terror to get a war with Iraq under way.

    We of course can not go after every country with WMD, nor should we.
     
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  11. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #51
    USA is not the World's policeman, it goes only after those it feels/alleges/claims/falsifies that can harm it which it did to Iraq. For the rest it depends on how they feel, but they are certainly not obliged to go after every country, for eg Israel, India and Pakistan.

     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #52
    Or in the case of Iraq, of which we falsified to go after them..

    ;)
     
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    #53
    Iraq was more complicated than just WMD/NUCLEAR. Iraq still had the cabability to produce sarin (nerve gas) and blister agents. In any case, the Bush administartion made a mistake to put their entire case on WMD.

    Saddam was still and issue and sanction busting was going full force. France, Germany and Russia were doing some shady business with Iraq and their was a push by them to end the sanctions. This world have allowed Saddam and his sons to rebuild and threaten the Gulf again.

    Another big mistake was ignoring the Powell doctrine of using overwhelming force. The US should have send the national guard and more troops. Rumsted's 'Sock & Awe' won the war cheap for the US. However we didn't have enough troops to pacify Iraq and are paying for it now.

    No one can say the world is not a better place without Saddam and Uday and Qusay Hussein.
     
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  14. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #54
    Sorry I would beg to differ, it seemed that when Saddam was in power, the Middle East is a far more peaceful place than at current.

    I certainly wish that the status quo be maintained. Now is worse for everyone except OPEC.

     
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    #55
    I agree. The US has no business being judge, jury, and executioner for the rest of the world. As you pointed out, all it takes is for the Government to allege, claim, or falsify a threat to start war. That's no bueno. ;)
     
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  16. Lemon116

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    #56
    MYTH

    "Jews stole Arab land."

    FACT

    Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is that from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins.

    Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."

    It was only after the Jews had bought all of the available uncultivated land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

    When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."

    In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

    In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al­Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded.

    The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land."Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.

    In his memoirs, Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:

    It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (emphasis in the original).

    Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.

    The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."

    By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin.29 Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad el­Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews.

    In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.
     
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    #57
    The US knew that the situation was complicated and that's why the US didn't go after Saddam after Gulf War I. However, it was no longer possible to maintain the status quo. That;s why the US decided to act before it had another North Korea on its hands. But with trillions in oil revenue to cause all kinds of problems.


    Palestine was never a country. The people inhabiting Palestine-Trans Jordan are the same. Palestinians and Jordanians are the same people.

    You are missing two points. 1) Palestinians occupy more than 70% of the former Trans-Jordan mandate in Jordan 2) Illegal Arab immigration to Palestine between 1922-1945

    A significant portion of the people that call themselves Palestinians today are the decendants of Arabs coming from Syria and Eygpt during the 1922-1945 peiod to either work for the British building the port of Haifa or accepting jobs from Jewish projects to make the desert bloom.
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    #58
    guess the country im talking about:

    -used nuclear weapons against civilians 2x

    -had no reason to nuke civilian areas could have nuked some small uninhabited island just for demonstration

    -made no real effort to warn civilians they were about to get nuked 2x

    -takes phoney moral high ground and is scared of others having nukes



    guess the country and win valuable prizes :)
     
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  19. Lemon116

    Lemon116 Active Member

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    #59
    Hmmm... :eek: I Know! :D I Know!


    I forgot :p

    [​IMG]
     
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