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Israel goals has been achieved in Gaza!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by firewall, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #21
    "Some 1.4 million people, mostly children, are piled up in one of the most densely populated regions of the world, with no freedom of movement, no place to run and no space to hide."

    I wonder if its possible for anyone to argue this ?
    SEMrush
     
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  2. Kerunai

    Kerunai Active Member

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    #22
    a cowardice act ..shooting at people with no weapon power at all

    killing women

    killing babies

    i pray to god , may the economic of the whole world will tremble, and send those israel straight to hell !!!

    hey .. even adolf hitler won't do such thing !!!

    israel = coward !!!

    if israel wants war, than attack lubnan or iran !!! not shooting kids and women with stones in their hands !!!
     
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  3. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #23
    To achieve the Zionist ideal of a purist Jewish state and force all Arabs to flee the land so that they can take it for themselves. THAT is the reason.

    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10119.shtml
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10128.shtml

    And don't foam at your mouth and say that this is all Hamas' fault. Hamas did not fly those jets, Hamas did not drop those bombs on hospitals and universities and Hamas did not bring Merkava tanks into someone else's territory.
     
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  4. firewall

    firewall Banned

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    #24
    Also Israel breaks Geneva Convention by killing civilians. Geneva Convention prevent from killing civilians even if they are soldiers between them! What's happen now in GAZA it's a crime, where is Human rights associations??
     
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  5. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #25
    IMHO, Hamas who has been shooting rockets at Israel for the last 8 years should stop too. I do not agree with Israel's blatant aggression, neither am I in agreement with what Hamas has been doing.


     
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  6. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #26
    Actually Israel did try to attack Lebanon, remember? And as I recall, they got a jolly good hiding and a bloody nose for it too :D Someone even lost his job because of it.
     
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  7. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #27
    Hamas thought they could just attack Israel with impunity and that there would be no response. How fucking stupid is that? Of course Israel responded. Of course any nation on Earth would respond. Don't lie to us about Hamas not using universities and schools and hospitals - they do - and in doing so they further endanger the Palestinian people. Shame on all of you who continue to support Hamas.

    Many of you would not be satisfied until Israel is complicit in its own demise by allowing Hamas, a terrorist group sworn to Israel's destruction, free reign to continue attacking Israel and obtaining better and better weapons to do so. With foolish thinking like that supporting the Palestinian people it is no wonder they suffer. Most of the Palestinian supporters here hate Israel more than they care about Palestine. It looks like most of you are getting exactly what you sought.
     
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  8. imad

    imad Peon

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    #28
    that school they bombed yesterday, why did they bomb it?


    Israel story as usual, human shields, fighters launched rockets from there bla bla bla:

    Palestinians story is known:

    Israel is a BIG liar and they have a proven history in this, last was when they bombed Qana in an incident similar to yesterday's one killing so many children & women who been hiding, Israeli's then said, Hezballah fighters launched rockets from there, independent organizations said there was no fighters where they bombed or close to it, so why would we believe them this time?

    UN story proved that Israel is the liar:

     
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  9. jamieellis

    jamieellis Active Member

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    #29
    There are no official figures at all, just wild estimates. Nobody knows the true number.

    In any case 700 is quite a low number for and all out urban war like this in a densly populated area. Certainly not symptomatic of genocide or anything like. I suspect the vast majority of people on both sides just want to live in peace and get on with their lives. Israel's response has been over the top, but that doesn't detract from the underlying reason this conflict is happening and that's because Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel. Anywhere else on earth this is an act of war, and if Israel was looking for an excuse to attack Gaza Hamas certainly gave them it.
     
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  10. Polite teen

    Polite teen Guest

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    #30
    The sin that hamas is attacked for is that they didn't bow down for the jews.

    they defend for the truth and their people who were ignored by abbas and the whole world, no body gave them their right or at least their human one.

    they want also to defend for (Al Aqsa) the House of God that the jews want to destroy and build their imaginary building of king Solomon (peace be upon Solomon, if he was alive today, he would discipline the jews, because the prophets love God more than every thing else). any way God will take care of this, He will send whom He wills (wind, angels, lightining, m

    We muslims see the 2 reasons are important, this is why we love hamas.

    Israel doesn't want the week to submit, they want the one who defend for the week people to submit, and in case of no submission they got, they kill the innocent so that they might force hamas to submit, and they say: this is because of hamas, it is their mistake.
     
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  11. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #31
    Of course Hamas will resist Israeli occupation with any possible means. Their name means Harakat Al-Muqawwwama al-Islamiyyah - Islamic Resistance Movement. Need I spell it out for you what that means? :rolleyes:

    You got that part right....any dignified human being under occupation will respond with whatever means necessary, no matter the odds. The American colonials did it during the American Revolution and they were labelled "terrorists" by the British. The French resistance did it during the Nazi occupation of France and they were called "terrorists" by the Germans. Most of South-East Asia did it during the Japanese occupation during World War II and they were called "terrorists" by the Japanese. What makes you think that Hamas will not do the same when under occupation by Israel?

    The shame should be on you and those who support the continuing brutal and oppressive militaristic nature of Israel under the guise of "self-defense". What kind of "self-defense" is it when women and children are targeted indiscrimately, knowing full well that they are unarmed? What kind of "self-defense" is it when hospitals and government buildings and other civilian infrastructure are knocked out, knowing full well that those things are needed to run a society already trapped from all sides? What kind of "self-defense" is it when you respond to crude rocket attacks which kills -- at most -- 4 or 5 obscure individuals, with a punishing and cowardly attack from the skies that resulted in the deaths of 500+ people?

    Yes, the shame should be on you and those who sympathise with Israel.

    And don't teach us about the nature of Hamas. They are an elected government through free and fair elections -- the ONLY democratically-elected government in the Arab world. Today, you are supporting a regime that wants to destroy that very same government elected by its own people.
     
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  12. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #32
    I am not sure if you realize just how stupid this sounds.

    You proudly say how Hamas is firing rockets into Israel, knowing full well they are indiscriminately targeting anyone and everyone who might be in its path. You have no problems with that. But somehow have a problem with Israel responding to those attacks.

    Damn those Israelis for not wanting to be attacked by Hamas. Damn those crazy Jews for daring to defend themselves against Hamas, who is sworn to its destruction.

    You idiots keep saying that Hamas is democratically elected. That is absurd for several reasons. They were elected to some positions in the Palestinian government and then violently thugged their way into total control of Gaza (killing their fellow Palestinians in the process) something there were not elected to. They are not a legitimate government as they refuse to accept peace deals previously made by the Palestinians. They refuse to recognize Israel. They refuse to renounce violence. Teh refuse to abide by the most basic rules of civilized society. But you want Israel to cater to them and help them import more weapons so they can better attack Israel.

    You wont be satisfied unless Israel just takes anything the Islamic crazies want to throw at it and do nothing in response. Well, Israel is giving you a big "screw you" to that plan and rightfully so.

    Most of the leaders in the world don't want to see civilian casualties but are totally in support of Israel's right to self defense. They all know what Islamic extremists are capable of and all know they would defend their own countries as well.

    It is such a joke that you condemn Israel in one breath for something you praise Hamas for in the next. People stop taking fools seriously.
     
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  13. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #33
    Reading your posts, I am not sure if you realise how stupid you sounded.

    I never made any comment on the rocket attacks per se and have no opinion on it. But Israel has responded to those same crude rocket attacks with disproportionate force, and that is a fact. Israel, with all its might and power and air supremacy, is shaking in its boots because of a few mere crude rocket attacks and have to punish a whole city filled with civillians to the brim because of it? Oh, come on :rolleyes:

    Each time you open your mouth and try to justify Israel's violence, you just make yourself look more foolish in the process. The internet evidence is there for everyone to see.

    I agree, those Jews must be crazy for sending F-16s in retaliation for crude rocket attacks!

    Yes, Hamas is democratically elected and the evidence is there for all to see. How is this "absurd" except in the minds of Israeli sympathisers? You dislike the democratic choice made and you want Fatah to take over instead. That is like forcing Americans to accept McCain even though they voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama. No nation will accept this.

    "Yes" and "No" at the same time. "Yes" because they indeed took Gaza by force from Fatah after the Battle of Gaza. "No" because Hamas were forced to take over Gaza because of the Fatah collaboration with Israel and the US to bring the "National Unity" government down and overthrow a democratically-elected government.

    They did. Many, many times. Yet people like you refuse to listen. You insist on adhering to the Israeli version of events and blindly support Fatah, knowing full-well that their leaders are openly corrupt and colluding with the occupiers.
     
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  14. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #34
    Hamas attacks Israel and chooses not to renew a cease fire (big suprise)
    hamas continues it's indiscriminate rocket attacks, killing Jews and destroying lives (big surprise)
    Israel finally has enough, and sets out to stop it, permanently (not so big a surprise, Israel has been overly tolerant of the savages that want their deaths)
    Israel starts fighting back.
    Muslims start crying about how unfair it is.
    Hamas cries victim from the top of their lungs and starts making sob stories to the civilized world about how unfair they are being treated for trying to kill as many Jews as they could.
    Israel hands hamas' ass to them, as usual.
    hamas hides behind women and children in schools and mosques (no big surprise there)
    hamas does it's hiding in order to create casualties (they don't care who they kill) to show the world how bad Israel is and turn the world against Israel (typical muslim tactic, hezbollah did the same while hiding behind women and children)
    hamas parades dead bodies (some of whom were actually killed by hamas) for propaganda purposes
    muslims cry victim and point to how bad Israel is
    hamas plays the victim card and tries to rewrite history
    world media, many of whom are anti-Israel report such with no verification of facts (no big surprise there)
    hamas and muslims around the world turn a war that hamas started into a pity party

    Same shit, different war.
     
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    skillipedia Peon

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    #35
    I find it more cruel of some people who suggest that blasting a school was an accident. People in the UK and Europe are lucky they have clever media but in the USA the Americans see only what the Jewish want them to see ( check the above reply by GTech )



    The holocaust was an accident as well!
     
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    DTHBAH2006 Active Member

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    #36
    If Hamas puts down their weapons there is no war.

    If Israel puts down their weapons there is no Israel.

    Simple as that.
     
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    #37
    After checking out these pics i am expecting a Hero like Hitler once again. He is the correct person to Jews.
     
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  18. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #38
    A hero like Hitler... ???


    I admire his public speaking abilities, but that's it. He was no hero.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #39
    Another voice of reason.

    DP has too many mentally disturbed posters like you who unabashedly call for someone to kill millions of Jews. I don't know what religion you are but you bring shame to your god and your people posting your sickness for all to see.
     
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    #40
    Ever heard of Stalingrad? Or Eindhoven? Or Coventry? Or Leningrad?
     
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