Israel blows up bus full of Jews in Bulgaria

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  1. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians. Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three more in another. Not bad for a night's work in Gaza by the army that believes in "purity of arms". But why should we be surprised?

    Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead – almost all civilians, most of them children and women – in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?

    What is amazing is that so many Western leaders, so many presidents and prime ministers and, I fear, so many editors and journalists, bought the old lie; that Israelis take such great care to avoid civilian casualties. "Israel makes every possible effort to avoid civilian casualties," yet another Israeli ambassador said only hours before the Gaza massacre. And every president and prime minister who repeated this mendacity as an excuse to avoid a ceasefire has the blood of last night's butchery on their hands.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ate-the-west-so-much-we-will-ask-1230046.html

    The Red Cross workers found the children, who were so weak they could not stand, sheltering next to the bodies of their mothers in a house in Zeitoun, southeast of Gaza City. Another man was found alive, but again too weak to stand. At least 12 corpses were lying on mattresses.

    In another house nearby they found 15 survivors, several of whom were wounded. There were three more bodies in a third house. On Wednesday, a Palestinian volunteer with the Red Crescent who was in the same convoy described seeing dozens of dead bodies. Among those killed on Monday when the houses were shelled were three boys, all from the Samouni family.

    The Red Cross said Israeli soldiers were posted 80 metres away and had several positions nearby, including two tanks.

    It was a shocking incident, said Pierre Wettach, head of the Red Cross delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. "The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation, but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded."

    The Red Cross had been asking the Israeli military to allow them access to Zeitoun since Israel's ground invasion began on Saturday, but only a three-hour lull in the fighting on Wednesday allowed them to make the dangerous journey.

    The Red Cross said Israel had breached international humanitarian law by not allowing access to the wounded and said it "considers the delay in allowing rescue services access unacceptable".

    Two drivers in a clearly marked UN convoy were killed yesterday by an Israeli tank shell. The Israeli military has attacked two UN schools, killing more than 46 Palestinians sheltering inside. Another 35 bodies were pulled from the rubble in areas across Gaza City yesterday during another three-hour lull in the fighting.


    The Palestinian death toll after nearly two weeks of the Israeli bombing offensive now stands at about 750, with about 3,000 injured, .....
    Three Israeli soldiers were killed yesterday, bringing the death toll on the Israeli side to 13, three of whom were civilians......


    Attacks on medical staff, hospitals and vehicles are prohibited. But more than 20 medical staff have already been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/09/gaza-israel-medics


    Please note above 750 dead Palestinian civilians - 3 dead Israeli civilians.
    Say a lot doesn't it?
     
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  2. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    The Israeli military may have committed war crimes in Gaza, the UN's most senior human rights official said tonight, as Israeli troops pressed on with their increasingly deadly offensive in defiance of a UN security council resolution demanding a ceasefire.

    Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, singled out the killing this week of up to 30 Palestinians in Zeitoun, south-east of Gaza City, when Israel shelled a house where its troops had told about 110 civilians to take shelter.

    OCHA said the incident took place on 4 January, a day after Israel began its ground offensive in Gaza. According to testimonies gathered by the UN, Israeli soldiers evacuated about 110 Palestinians to a single-storey house in Zeitoun. The evacuees were instructed to stay indoors for their safety but 24 hours later the Israeli army shelled the house. About half the Palestinians sheltering in the house were children, OCHA said. The report also complains that the Israeli Defence Force prevented medical teams from entering the area to evacuate the wounded.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/09/gaza-palestinians-israel-evacuees-zeitoun

    Israel tell 110 civilians to shelter in a house...and then shell the house!! Yep...that's about par for the course with them. They have no shame.


    Sine 1973, Israel has cost the US taxpayer... $1.6 TRILLION. That means that each taxpayer has paid $5,700 to help Israel's military to commit atrocities against Palestinians!

    Wake up America and look where your taxes are being spent whilst your old people go without the necessities of life.
     
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  3. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    #43
    9/11 ? It's just a building dude .. or 2 buildings .. no wait it was 3 buildings.. but still it was just buildings, why still crying about it .. ?

    Anyway, if you want to condemn Hamas for doing unethical things .. why don't you condemn the Jews for terrorizing the British and Palestinians and why don't you condemn the Jews for stealing Palestinian land in 1948 and 1967 and why don't you condemn the massacres committed by Israel ?

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    [SIZE=-1]The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]YEHIDA MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]KHISAS MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]QAZAZA MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]The Semiramis Hotel Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]The Massacre at Dair Yasin[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]THE TANTURA MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]BEIT DARAS MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]DAWAYMA MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]HOULA MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]SHARAFAT MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Salha Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]The Massacre at Qibya[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]KAFR QASEM MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Khan Yunis Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]The Massacre in Gaza City[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Aitharoun Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Kawnin Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Hanin Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Bint Jbeil Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Abbasieh Massacre [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Adloun Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Saida Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Fakhani Massacre[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]Jibsheet Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Sohmor Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Seer Al Garbiah[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]Zrariah Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]Yohmor Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Tiri massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]OYON QARA MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Siddiqine Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Mnsuriah Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]The Sohmor Second Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Nabatyaih Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Qana Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Trqumia Massacr[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Janta Massacre[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]24 Of June 1999 Massacres

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  4. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    #44


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    Next up is Assad.

    Don't worry, the Israeli's will not be taken out after Assad. They are one of the lesser problems. They will be taken out last.
     
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  5. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    Oh dear! <sigh> Is this what you are now reduced to Obamaman? Is this all you have left? Exposed as a liar and a charlatan and now all you have left is ridicule and abuse.

    You too huh?

    Stop it lads! It's very immature.
     
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  6. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #47
    Mikael: Your pictures simply prove what I've been saying: You are a prime example of a miserable muslim propagandist that supports the murder of muslims by muslims.

    just to name a few of the incidents you support:

    Iran/Iraq war: muslims kill 1 million muslims
    1970 Jordan Black September 25,000 palestinians killed by jordanians
    1982 Syrian killing of 20-30,000 muslims in Hama
    Years of al-queda violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan
    Salafist murderous uprising in Algeria killing about 150-200,000 muslims
    The bombing last year of a sunni mosque http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/08/ap-iraqis-mourn-baghdad-mosque-attack-victims-082911/

    and on and on. You support all of it.

    Point proven. Case closed.
     
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  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #48
    You are a prime example of a miserable Christian propagandist that supports the murder of Christians by Christians.

    American civil war: 625,000
    WWI: 16,500,000
    WWII: 79,000,000

    and on and on.

    Point proven, case closed.

    Earl, you are too smart not to see how stupid you sound, aren´t you? :)
     
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  9. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Might have to do with they way the two sides fight. The Palestinians fight from schools packed with kids. They figure either Israel will not retaliate or if they do, they can make the PR case that you try that Israel is killing kids. Those deaths are the result of the sick way Palestinians put their own children at risk by the way they fight. The use their own children as pawns. I feel sympathy for the children, but none for the Palestinians who cause these deaths.

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  10. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    And there it is. The hatred, the bigotry - all in one sentence.

    Notice a pattern from Mikaël and pladecalvo?

    Every single statement from a Muslim source Mikaël and pladecalvo insist must be taken as the truth, without question.
    Every single statement from an Israeli source Mikaël and pladecalvo insist must be taken as a lie, without question.

    And Mikaël uses as a reference a personal webpage? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    What a clown he is!

    Bigotry in it's purest, ugliest form.

    Remember 9/11
     
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  11. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    Problem is, it's only the Israelis that seem to be saying this. They figure that if they say things like this, they can make a PR case that Palestinians are hiding behind children.

    Now if you had some reports from the UN, the Red Cross or some other similar organisation that says the Palestinians are using children as shields, I'd be happy to take a look at it and if it's true, I would be the first to condemn it. I do not condone such action. What we do have is verifiable evidence that Israeli military have targeted civilians and schools with devastating weapons INCLUDING phosphorus bombs.

    See...if all the hype about Palestinians using children as shields WERE actually true then don't you think that, rather that 90% of the world supporting Palestine and condemning Israel..it would be the other way round? If Israel had evidence that Palestinians were using children as shields, they would be flooding the worlds news media with it. The fact that they are not is very telling.
     
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  12. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    #52
    LMFAO!! What irony!

    ...but why?? Why don't you just forget the past, just get over it, move on? That's what your mate Obamaman says the Palestinians should do. Or are Americans somehow different....that we should mourn and remember the American victims of injustice - yet tell the Palestinian victims of injustice to STFU, forget the past and move on?
     
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  13. Mikaël2

    Mikaël2 Member

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    Why remember 9/11 ? Why not remember the American ship that was attacked by Israel in 1967?
     
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    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #54
    But since Islamic Extremists have made it a habit of using children as shields, there is credibility in the Israeli statement, right?

    So, let me get this straight - Islamic Extremists commit 9/11, the most despicable civilian massacre since the Nazi Holocaust, killing thousands of civilians and you demand that it be forgotten?

    Meanwhile, you pick and choose any highly biased source you want, while blindly ignoring any opposition that disagrees with your bigotry, while citing a highly biased personal website, screaming about the deaths of about 60 people?

    It's your own hypocrisy that condemns you. Your own words used against you.

    God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars! They take their faith for a cloak, and then they turn folks from God’s way: evil is that which they have done! That is because they believed and then disbelieved, wherefore is a stamp set on their hearts so that they do not understand!...God fight against them, how they lie!
    The Koran, Sura 63

    It's your own Koran that damns you.

    pladecalvo, you aren't even making a feeble attempt at trust. You have given us no reason to trust you. Look at this thread - you have changed no minds, made no difference. Your desperate posts are reduced to insignificance. If anything, you've only made your bigoted position look WORSE. With every post you embarrass yourself.

    See? Islamic extremists have a history of killing their own women and children!

    Point proven. Case closed.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Family of the bride?
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    You must be kidding, as far as massacres go, it doesn´t even rank in top 10.
     
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    pladecalvo Peon

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    No, not right....because as I told you, until now we only have Israeli CLAIMS that that is happening. As I said, if you can provide something from the UN, the Red Cross or some reputable news media that confirms that they actually are doing that, I will condemn it!

    Do you have problems reading Corwin? Go back and read the last paragraph of post # 52 again and this time THINK about what I'm saying.

    LMFAO! Now THAT is FUNNY! You describe yourself perfectly. LOL

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    ? What '"highly biased personal website "would that be?

    Yeah..you wish! People who don't have a reading problem might see it differently. I really don't know what the problem is with you and your little band of Zionist (well actually I do). I have gathered together all my posts where I condemn violence and terrorism and put them all into one post. I have even highlighted the words in red....and still you claim that I condone violence. I really don't know what else I have to do to get it into your skulls. Perhaps you would understand if you actually read what my words say rather than interpreting them into what you want them to say.

    'My Qur'an'...are you feckin' crazy pal? I'M A WELSHMAN NOT A MUSLIM....AND WHAT'S MORE, I AM VEHEMENTLY ANTI-RELIGION AND ANTI-THEIST....so you can save your breath trying to convince me of anything by quoting crap from the Qur'an, the Bible or any other religious book you care to mention.

    . Now why do you think I would I want or event expect trust from you or any of the other rabid Zionists on here?

    You flatter yourself if you think I crave your trust!

    According to you perhaps....but how fortunate we are that the merit of the argument is not decided by those who are doing the arguing. The merit of the argument is decided by the thousands that read these boards and do not post....not by you or I. In fact, it could be concluded that the merit of the argument has already been decided.... by the fact that so much of the world condemn Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.

    I'll just treat that as an idiotic statement.

    Total Arab/Israeli deaths since 1987

    Palestinian adults 7978. Palestinian children 1620

    Israeli adults 1503. Israeli children. 142

    Point proven. Case closed.
     
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  18. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    So all this time I have been arguing with an infidel? Your fate is sealed.

    You are probably one of those gullible leftists who form the nexus between socialist organizations, charitable cash, and terror organizations. People who look smart on paper.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    So, less than 8000 people dead over 25 YEARS is what is being compared to a holocaust? If Israel was trying to kill Palestinians civilians or trying to actually kill anyone but terrorist there would be tens if not hundreds of thousands dead. I am always surprised how small the actual number of dead is from this conflict. It is a testament to the Israeli restraint in the face of constant threats and provocations.

    You say, "we do have is verifiable evidence that Israeli military have targeted civilians". So I ask what is that evidence you claim to have? I have never seen anything that they targeted civilians. I know that have said that they targeted Hamas members firing mortars from a school playground, but that as you know, is a far cry from "targeting civilians".

    Israel has show the world video evidence of the weapons being fired from schools. It is up to you to ignore that evidence and demand evidence that from sources you know can't provide it.
    • In 2002 IDF forces arrested Islam Jibril, an ambulance driver, while driving a Red Crescent ambulance containing an explosive belt and explosive devices. The explosive belt was underneath a stretcher carrying a sick Palestinian boy.
    • 2001 Nidal Nazal, a Hamas terrorist worked as an ambulance driver for the Palestinian Red Crescent. Nidal confessed to the transfer of weaponry for terrorists using his freedom of passage as an ambulance driver.
    • 2002 several Palestinian terrorists in Ramallah were using ambulances in order to move from one spot to another. The terrorists were wearing medical uniforms and some of them used city hospitals as a hiding place.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ha...during-gaza-war/2009/01/25/1232818246374.html

    Here is one more, in case you want to see it with your own eyes.... wait for the end when the armed Palestinians get into the UN ambulance to make an escape.
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1231063776
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure after that ambulance gets destroyed, some fine Palestinian will collect the AK47s from the wreckage and start filming the remains, claiming it is an Israeli aggression against innocent civilians in an ambulance.

    There are many videos and pictures like this, which makes me wonder how anyone can lend credibility to claims like the one our welsh friend is presenting.
     
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