Israel blows up bus full of Jews in Bulgaria

You are breaking obamanation heart, that picture is his favorite pin up right on top of his bed.

 

Thanks for giving me my laugh of the day!

First, even U.N. member states don't play by U.N. rules.

Second, if you want the Palestinians to have a long armed struggle with Israel, then you are being unrealistic and impractical. Think of the families, think of the children. There is no scenario where that ends well for the Palestinians. When you get older, you'll realize that.

 

If Palestine was a full member, it doesn't mean that Israel would no longer occupy Palestine. Nothing would change on the ground. Joining the UN as full member is useless. It just means you have to follow more rules.

Palestinians dropped their arms and rejected violence some 20 years ago [except Hamas]. They have tried diplomacy. Israel is not willing to stop the occupation, nor does it want any of the 7 million refugees nor does it want to give back the Palestinian properties that were looted. Diplomacy has failed. Armed resistance is the only remaining solution. There was a time when Israel was occupying Gaza and the Sinai. It is the Egyptian and Palestinian resistance that prompted Israel to withdraw from these territories. So you are wrong in saying that armed resistance is useless.

 

Mikael, you are wrong. There is absolutely no scenario where Palestine can militarily overpower Israel. And I'm not in favor of families and children dying to satisfy your youthful fanaticism - that's just fucking insane.

And you are very vague in your terminology. When you write "Israel is not willing to stop the occupation", are you referring to the West Bank?

 

I don't think there should be any suicide bombings, but it's not a bad idea to carry out assassinations, kidnappings and bombings of strategic locations. It's about making the illegal Jews live in hell.

The West Bank and East Jerusalem.

 

You are fucking insane.

 

And some people -support- this fuc*ing moron in this forum is just fuc*ing unbelievably insane as well.

 

Some people bend over so far to support someone claiming to be a "victim" they lost their ability to simply tell right from wrong. They confuse acts of self defense for acts of murder, and confuse acts of murder as resistance. They seem to have fallen prey to propaganda of hate. Not surprising though, history has always been rife with useful idiots.

 

All these resistance organisations are insane ? Or only if they are Palestinian/Arab/Moozlim ?

Pre–World War II

• Filipino guerilla units after official end of Philippine-American War (1902–1913)
• Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (1918–1921)
• Forest Guerrillas (1921–1922)
• Augusto César Sandino led a rebellion against the United States occupation of Nicaragua
• Lwów Eaglets
• Black Lions (1936)

World War II

• Albanian resistance movement
• Austrian resistance movement (O5)
• Belgian resistance movement
• Bulgarian resistance movement
• Burmese resistance movement
• Czech Resistance movement
• Chinese resistance movements
  • Northeast Anti-Japanese United Army
  • Anti-Japanese Army for the Salvation of the Country
  • Chinese People's National Salvation Army
  • Heilungkiang National Salvation Army
  • Jilin Self-Defence Army
  • Northeast Anti-Japanese National Salvation Army
  • Northeast Anti-Japanese United Army
  • Northeast People's Anti-Japanese Volunteer Army
  • Northeastern Loyal and Brave Army
  • Northeastern People's Revolutionary Army
  • Northeastern Volunteer Righteous & Brave Fighters
  • Hong Kong resistance movements
  • Gangjiu dadui (Hong Kong-Kowloon big army)
  • Dongjiang Guerrillas (East River Guerrillas, Southern China and Hong Kong organisation)
• Danish resistance movement
• Dutch resistance movement
• Forest Brothers
• French resistance movement
  • Maquis
• Greek resistance movement
  • Cretan resistance
• Italian resistance movement
• Jewish resistance movement, including Jewish partisans and Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee
• Korean resistance movement
• Latvian resistance movement
• Lithuanian resistance during World War II
• Lithuanian, Latvian, and Estonian (Forest Brothers, Latvian national partisans, andLithuanian partisans (1944–1953)) resistance movements during the Soviet invasion and occupation of the Baltic countries (continued after the end of World War II).
• Luxembourgish resistance movement
• Norwegian resistance movement
• Philippine resistance movement (Multiple, often opposing organizations, were active during the Japanese Occupation)
• Polish Underground State and Polish resistance organizations, such as:
  • Armia Krajowa (the Home Army), Polish underground army in World War II (400 000 sworn members)
  • Narodowe SiÅ‚y Zbrojne
  • Bataliony ChÅ‚opskie
  • Gwardia Ludowa (the Peoples' Guard) and Armia Ludowa (the Peoples' Army)
  • Å»ydowska Organizacja Bojowa (ZOB, the Jewish Fighting Organisation), Jewish resistance movement that led the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943
  • Zydowski Zwiazek Walki (ZZW, the Jewish Fighting Union), Jewish resistance movement that led the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943
• Slovak resistance movement
• Slovene resistance movement
• Soviet resistance movement of Soviet partisans and underground which had Moscow-organized and spontaneously formed cells opposing German occupation.
• Thai resistance movement
• Ukrainian Insurgent Army – fought the Poles, the Germans and the Soviets.
• Yugoslav resistance movements:
  • People's Liberation Army – the partisans
  • Chetniks
• Azad Hind
• Viet Minh

Post–World War II

• Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) (ongoing)
• American Indian Movement
• Algerian resistance
• Armenian resistance
• Balochistan conflict (ongoing)
• Bangladesh Liberation War (1971)
• Caucasian separatists (ongoing)
• Casamance conflict (ongoing)
• Conflict in the Niger Delta (ongoing)
• Contras of Nicaragua
• Cursed soldiers Polish anticommunist resistance
• Hamas (ongoing)
• Czechoslovakian resistance
• Free Wales Army
• Greek resistance
• Front for the Liberation of the Golan (ongoing)
• Hungarian Uprising
• Indian Independence movement and Pakistan movement
• Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir (ongoing)
• Iraqi Resistance Movement
• Khalistan (ongoing)
• Kosovo Liberation Army
• Hezbollah (ongoing)
• Los Macheteros puertorrican arm liberation movement (ongoing)
• Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru
• Mau Mau
• National Liberation Front of Corsica (ongoing)
• Tevaga Peasant Movement in India
• Telengana Peasant Movement in India
• Polish resistance
• Palestinian Resistance (ongoing)
• Kurdistan conflictin Turkey and Iran
• Polisario Front (ongoing)
• Romanian anti-communist resistance movement
• Somali Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahideen (ongoing)
• Tamil Tigers
• Taliban (ongoing)
• Tibetan resistance movement (ongoing)
• Tupamaros
• Sandinistas
• South Thailand insurgency (ongoing)
• South Yemen Movement (ongoing)
• Sudanese resistance (ongoing)
• Viet Minh
• Vietcong
• West Sahara Independence Intifada (ongoing)
• Zapatistas (ongoing)
• Sindhudesh (ongoing

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_movement

 

...and of course...that wouldn't apply to your support of the Israeli occupiers now would it. You no doubt consider the French resistance in WWII as 'terrorists'. How about Nelson Mandela...do you consider him to be a terrorist?

 

Just so everyone is clear, Pladecalvo's comment above is in response to Browntwn's comment in reply to Popo's outrage at this statement:

I know you don't claim to justify kidnappings and civilian bombings Pladecalvo, but when you compare Mikael's comment to Mendela and the French Resistence, I find it hard to call it anything but justification. You might note that neither Mikael's quoted comment,nor his post which started the thread uses the word Israelis, but rather the word Jews. I know Gomeza doesn't like the word "antisemitic", and while I agree it is over used, I have a hard time describing Mikael's comments any other way. Mikael defines the word rather than cheapens it.

Do you really think Nelson Mendella would have supported blowing up a bus full of elderly white South African tourists on vacation in some other country? If so, you need to read up a bit on Mendella's MK under his leadership.

 

I don't support kidnappings of innocent. Hamas kidnapped the Jewish soldier Gilad Shalit and exchanged him for 1000 Palestinian prisoners. So don't tell me kidnappings are useless.

I also don't support bombing of civilians, just so you know. I don't see anything immoral in bombing e.g. illegal settlements, government buildings, military checkpoints etc.

Yes, I call the illegal settlers "Jews" .. because that's what they are. I'm calling a spade a spade.

 

...and you need to read Mandela's autobiography. The ANC was a terrorist organisation that committed atrocities whilst Mandela was at the helm. Mandela admits in his autobiography that the SA government offered to release him from prison on many occasions, provided he renounced violence. He always refused to do so because he saw armed resistance as a necessary part of the struggle. That's why he spent so long in prison...not because they wouldn't let him out but because he refused to give up armed resistance.

 

We interrupt this thread to insert a reality check:

Action shot of member of famed Taliban SEAL Team One who recently wrote tell-all book describing their tactic.
Book is due on shelves by Ramadan. Working title is "WTF is All This Wet Stuff?"

 

So many words without answering the question. Let me ask you again.

Do you really think Nelson Mendella would have supported blowing up a bus full of elderly white South African tourists on vacation in some other country?

Better still, why don't you educate me on Mandela's history where he ordered something similar. I'm entirely willing to allow for the idea that I may be misinformed on the subject. Be sure to cite your sources.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

 

Yes, I am aware MK bombed civilian targets after Mandela was in jail. Setting aside the fact those bombings weren't done under Mandela, are you trying to say those bombings are the equivalent of blowing up a bus full of elderly white South African tourists in another country? Sorry pal. Try again.

 

Warfare was never the same after the first and second world wars.. I think the world never recovered from the psychological destruction. Total war, an anomaly in mankind's history that changed perception, forever?

Bring back the days when civilians were off limits and soldiers would line up on either side of a field..

 

Please explain more. I am curious what you look at as an ideal battle. Can you point to a war or battle specifically because I would venture to guess that none are as neat and clean as you suggest?

There certainly may have been some "civilized" battles where the combatants fought, decided a winner and then moved on. But I would say the history of warfare has been brutal - often as brutal for the non-combatants as the actual fighters. Women and children taken as slaves by victors. Burning of whole towns and villages. Warfare has never been pretty picture.

Warfare now is pretty tame. If there is a WWIII it will be ugly and I think Einstein was right when he said: "I do not know with what kinds of weapons the Third World War will be fought, but the Fourth World War will be fought with sticks and stones."

 

I was referring to the mid to late mediaeval period. The history of my country during that age saw kings and their armies standing across each other in formations, in a field. Even if only a brief period civilians weren't systematically and deliberately targeted as a strategy. Also during this period a victor would withdraw from a nation satisfied with victory and some land gain, rarely establishing a full occupation.

"total war" is only traced back as far as 18th and 19th centuries; a very modern concept.