not sure how to search for that. i know that israel's economy sucks - how can you get a thriving economy when every major city is in missile range of people who want you dead? and then people blame israel for when it defends itself. its silly. palestinians have the opportunity to create their own government now; and what do they do? no jews to kill; so they start killing each other. its wonderfully civilized. my point is that israel is in the middle of hostile ground. it has no land (essentially) - its about the size of west virginia (smaller actually, buts it the closet fit). it cannot build weapons to defend itself. It is the only democracy over there to speak of. I think we have a need to support the country and its people. an unprotected israel means everyone there is dead; if every other arab country was unarmed, israel wouldn't blow them off the map. can you imagine these huge ass countries with tons of natural resources that bubble up from the ground spending so much time and energy on west virginia? seriously. and people are mad that we let israel buy weapons to defend themselves? I'm not sure how to do the math exactly; but I think this is right: GDP/population: Israel - 140 billion/ 7 million = ~20,000 per person France - 2.15 trillion / 62.3 million = ~34,500 per person Numbers aren't quite there either. Again, I'm not sure if this math is right, but they are at least calculated the same way.
Israel: GDP - per capita (PPP): $26,200 (2006 est.) France: GDP - per capita (PPP): $30,100 (2006 est.) I don't think this is such a big deal though :|
so, what is it? Israel buys arms from US or US sponsors/crediting Israel ? I am not sure what is it, do you know ?
I think you have an opinion based upon your question. Please, do tell us that its the US' fault that every country over there wants to see Israel obliterated.
I don't have an opinion, I only heard that US are in close relations with Israel, that's why I am asking. obliterated? Hmm, it's just as any other conflict with neighbours, what do you mean by "every country", it's called neighbourhood, name me country that is not near you, who "wants to see Israel obliterated" ? What I'm saying is that Israel can cope without anyone's help, why they seek help and make this conflict bigger into a possible war? I'm sure, that US's help is much appreciated......but it ain't right.
They can? How do you expect a country of about 20,000 square miles to build weapons, missiles, etc while under constant missile fire. And imagine if Israel started mass producing tank/missile factories. How long before the world drops an ear there and says, WTF is Israel doing...then blames it for the inevitable regional war that'd break out. Simply because it was trying to fend for itself. Egypt wants Israel Gone. Syria wants Israel Gone. Jordan. Lebanon. Iran. Iraq (under Saddam at least, who knows now). All want to see Israel destroyed. That is every surrounding country. And Israel is blamed for not letting palestinians (who want israel destroyed) having free access to the country, so they can blow up anything they feel like it. And it's all Israel's fault, of course. The wording of your question suggests otherwise; but that's fine. I don't need to push the subject. I figured my math was wrong, but I wasn't too bad, I guess.
So, you are saying that Israel is alone against the whole world, and not just one country? The economy of Israel is much better I think, so they can cope if they really wanted. Plus Israel has a very good army and army methods (read: clever). surroundings, exactly. But then ......everyone would think why all them countries have the same attitude towards Israel, if what you said is true. I dont know much about history in that region....I think they wouldnt just want to erase Israel, because they called Israel.
Israel was Israel long before islam was invented. Apparently ferret believes it's history goes back 50-100 years. Who stole what? Israel's land has been stolen many times throughout history. Israel was renamed to "Palestine" by the Romans. Lands throughout the middle east were stolen (conquered by the sword) in islam's quest to convert the world. If anything, Israel proves that islam is not about peace and tolerance. I always get a kick out of those who cry on behalf of middle east muslims about "we're in their lands." OK, so does that mean that muslims here in the US are in "our" lands? Is it equally acceptable to say "muslims should leave 'our' lands" as it is to say "infidels should leave their lands?" Or do they enjoy a special victimhood status that says "we know they are not tolerant of others, therefore it's ok?" Something to think about...
Another stellar intellectual post That is exactly what your buds have been doing for years... They have the "desire", but thanks to some people, their "ability" is being slowed. Hitler did not get along with several other dictators from Russia to Japan, but gladly shared a common goal. Perhaps we should compare Lorien's IQ to Ferret's, I bet that would be just as close... Actually, what is "messed up", is your inability to reason or digest simple facts based in reality.
If you harbor feelings of guilt that your family were slave owners, make a donation to the NAACP. Take responsibility for your actions and beliefs.
so wait the jews have right to land that hasn't been theirs in generations, but you don't think the blacks deserve reperations for being slaves generations ago? lol, my family is from peru they never owned any slaves
So you were not really being honest with your feelings of guilt? That doesn't surprise me. Is it the best use of moral equivalence? Who stole what from whom? At the time of the UN mandate, there were more Jews in Israel than there were Arabs. Who do you support, ferret? If I'm reading your replies correctly, it seems that you want to give the land stolen from Israel back to Arabs. OK, let's take all the land they stole from others and give it back. Seems fair, no? Here's a mystery question...In all the wars of islamic conquest throughout the centuries, what lands have muslims given back to those that were taken during conquest?
I personally do not recognize Israel as a country. That land, to me, was stolen from Palestine. I despise Israel and it's people for being a freaking hypocrites. They complain about injustices they suffered during WWII and now they are the ones doing it to other people. I don't support the other side for blowing innocent people up either. I could go on for hours reciting the history of that land and all that, but considering how hard the Israel and US have been working to change the history books and how ignorant people like to be I think I'll simply be wasting my breath.
You certainly would be mate. GTech will be in this thread pretty soon with an obligatory copy and paste probably within the next 10 minutes. Tick,tock,tick,tock.................
Are you sure you want to encourage Ferret to donate an organization started by the Zionist Right Wing? I think what Ferret is trying to say is, that he does not like Jews, and in order to justify his position he assumes the guilt of slavery. A nobel endevor none the less. I have to respect your candor. At least you admit you hate Jews instead of masking your ignorance and terroristic views under the guise of assuming slavery guilt. Kudos to you for your honesty. May you be granted a thousand virgins for your post!
That was a very heartwarming and consoling post, AGS. Right on time! Fortunately, I already know how you feel about Jews. Never a bad word for your buds though
A reply within 3 minutes! HOT DAMN GTech you are on fire tonight. Still never a bad word for the terrorist Bush though.