Islamic LAW?

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  1. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #101
    yea, he dont need my help to look stupid, he's doing a fine job of that all on his own:rolleyes:
     
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  2. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #102
    Don't you think your time is better used if you go back and read again the tax book that you claim to read but obviously didn't understand than posting your usual nonsense. :rolleyes:
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #103
    Great, another bigot that keeps repeating her/his nonsense without actually saying anything. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #104
    here i bolded it for you,

    Flogging, Stoning, and Amputations Are in Muslim Eyes "The Core of the Islamic Faith".......
    one of you is wrong huh?
     
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  5. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #105
    nope i think murderers should die by lethal injection,
    i think sex offenders should have their balls removed surgically
    and i think "who fucks who is none of anyones business"

    what i object to is the barbaric way you treat people, women and children the worse.
    hanging children for being sexual abuse victims (the very people a state should protect) fucking crazy

    hanging/lashing rape victims because they lived through a rape, so didnt fight hard enough for her family honor? fucking crazy

    stoning people to death because they love each other (stoning so as to make death long painful and lingering) fucking crazy

    cutting hands and feet off in the street without any medical support for the victim. fucking crazy

    Iran moral police taking women at random to check they are not wearing western women panties fucking crazy

    these barbaric acts is what i object too. basic human rights that are so barbaric when you abuse them, i dont see how you can call yourselves human
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #106
    No one goes more out of their way to prove me right, then gworld. If only Christians or Jews were stoning people to death, then he'd have a completely different view.

    Never a bad word...
     
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  7. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #107
    clarification....never a bad word about TERRORISTS...plenty of bad words about us...
     
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  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #108
    So you don't have anything against death penalty but only when they kill according to your instructions.:rolleyes:

    What makes you think that you are the one who should decide for people in the middle east and Arabic countries and what laws should they have or not have? Is it because you are female? Is it because you are may be blond or is it because you are European? What happens if some one in Iran thinks that people in Denmark should change their laws because she knows better? :rolleyes:

    This type of mentality of double standard is stupid and counter productive. You can not behave toward other nations like they are stupid or a child and they should follow what we say because we are European or American. The only way to fight this kind of behavior is by trying to apply what is right without any exception. We can not say that Saddam was bad because he tortured people but we are good and it is OK if we torture people. We can not complain that other countries are dictators because they put people in prison without a charge or trial but it is OK if we do it. We can not say that other countries have no rights to have laws that executes people but it is OK if we do it because we are western countries and we know best.
     
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  9. adsblog

    adsblog Active Member

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    #109
    TERRORISTS ?
    Whois is ?
    you discuss about Death penalty or islam laws ? or other ?
    deatch penlaty is a law based on islam laws ..but it is just a political law for delete opposeds
    islam has many heavy terms for excute death penalty .
    i repet : " now we have a small islam laws and complete islam is different . is better . is ideal for life . " . it say by Emam Khomeini and i verify it .

     
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  10. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #110

    you still dont get it do you? killing to our instructions? no, killing in a humane mannor, (is that to much to ask? ) not because i am female, blonde, or western, because i am human. someone that can look at her self and see faults and change them, (something most of the world did after WWII, something you fail to do even today)

    you had 50 years of oil wealth come in, so should be very rich, what did you do with it? buy weapons and toss them at each other for the last 50 years, wow now thats the mentality that speaks volumes

    i am really sad to see you defend the right to hang little girls for being child sexual abuse victims, women for being rape victims but that is your mentality in a nut shell.

    to quote Gtect "never a bad word"
     
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  11. nokiaking

    nokiaking Peon

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    #111
    Out of the whole post, the only thing you could find fault was : 'That the Quran is not the Hadith' WOW :eek:

    By the way if you read the post again, I didn't say that someone said this, I was informing everyone ;)

    Overwhelming information from where? Scholars? You do know that any information of Islam can be found in the Quran without the need to turn to scholars, The scholars are not Prophets, they are people hence they also 'make mistakes' or wrong judgments they are not perfect and their viewpoints are not 100% correct. Do not hang on to their every word, instead believe about the topic what it says in the Quran. And you know as well as I do that there is no mention in the Quran about stoning,
    Read the quran and find out about stoning, don't let others do the hard work for you.
    The hadiths are man made, they are passed on from word of mouth, how can they be reliable? Why turn to the hadith to learn about a topic without turning to the Quran first.

    I did provide a source, the only source that is 100% correct when discussing Islam- The Quran ;) Not these scholars of whose every word you hang to like its gospel.

    Trying to put my views as denial- another common GTech strategy when someone doesn't agree with him.

    Wikipedia is just like the Hadith in many ways, anyone can edit it and its not all 100% correct, BUT some parts are. Now if some 'scholar' of wikipedia was too say that the a certain area of wikipedia is correct but you knew it was most definately wrong, even though thats what it says on wikipedia article (let me explain furthur :D , an article on wikipedia agrees with the scholar, but you know for a fact that the article and the scholar is wrong) would you still believe him?
    Here I found you a 'source' saying that your religion is the root of the problem, do you agree with that as well, as it was said by a scholar?

     
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  12. nokiaking

    nokiaking Peon

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    #112
    How can you say Wikipedia is untruthful, yet the Hadith is compiled by exactly the same means as Wikipedia is compiled, But you say the HAdith is correct and should be followed or used to make a point? Would you back up your points using wikipedia?
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #113
    Incorrect, I never stated any such thing as a fault.

    The manner in which you were attempting to deceive others was such that you believe others were claiming such.

    The sources stand. Requestioning from where, when you've already seen them, suggests denial.

    I never claimed anything regarding stoning in the quran. It is in the hadith which is very much used to derive islamic laws, of which I've clearly demonstrated. Denying such only serves to confirm that you place no value on your credibility.

    The quran is man made as well. The hadiths are used as a basis for islamic law, of which I've already proven. That you, personally, do not subscribe to them, in no way makes them any less relevant to the discussion or that they are used to derive laws in sharia law. Your personal opinion on them does not discount they do contain the information about stoning or that they are used to derive islamic laws regarding stoning.

    We're not discussing the quran, we're discussing stoning in islam and the fact that the hadiths do contain information about stoning, which modern day islamic laws are based upon. If you contest this, it is not "I" you should be trying to convince, it is those who *are* using the hadith to forumulate sharia law and making it islamic law to stone others to death.

    Has nothing to do with agreeing, this is about denial, which is your preferred strategy. Denying that stoning is part of islam, when others in your religion confirm such, when your hadiths (traditions) claim it is and when sharia law (islamic law) uses the hadith for justification in it's stoning laws. This is denial, pure and simple. Your position is that it is not in the quran. Mine is "so what?" It's in the hadiths, it's part of sharia law, it's currently used in backwards ass islamic countries as a form of punishment, and I've quoted others in your religion saying it's part of Islam.

    Once again, you should signup and go edit the page, using your sources (oops, you didn't have any) to deceive others. Pretend stoning is not part of islam, is not part of sharia law, is not in the hadith, is not quoted by clerics as being part of islam and is not actually used in countries who base their laws upon islam.

    Let me know when you've signed up on wikipedia, edited the article and how it goes.

    Pure denial.
     
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  14. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #114
    yes, never a bad word from Gworld about terrorists....also, I am not sure that I fully understand your statement...are you saying that islam is necessary for life? Would that be the small islam law or the complete? Also, how do you verify that it is ideal for life? Have you ever known anything else? To me, I would need to experience more than one to know which is better, otherwise I am biased...right?
     
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  15. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #115
    sarcasm flew right over your head.... never mind,

    a/ are you telling me that Muslims do not stone people to death?

    b/ are you telling me that islamic law forbids the stoning to death of people?

    c/ the bible told Christians to stone people to death, how many movies, news reports have you seen, where Christians have stone someone to death for having sex in the last 200 years or so?

    i dont care what you say, about Hadith not being part of the Quran, you use it to make the laws in islamic states.

    We do not hang child sexual abuse victims
    we do not lash rape victims
    we do not cut hands, feets or heads off in a public religous frenzy

    we look at ourselves and and seen how bad it looks when you preach death in gods name. and it disgusted us, to see we could act in such a manor to other humans.

    why cant islam and muslims do the same?
    or do you like to rule with fear?
     
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  16. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #116
    i think i know what he said, i'll try and put it in better words

     
    samantha pia, Mar 14, 2007 IP