Apples: Skins Juice Seeds Grow on trees Oranges: Skins Juice Seeds Grow on trees Therefore apples are oranges. Quran: Husbands, beat your wifes and deny them sex to punish them. Bible: Husbands don't deny your wife. Wives don't deny your husbands. Your body is hers and her body is yours. Quran: Jesus didn't die on a cross and rise again on the third day. Bible: Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the third day. Only somone that never read the Bible would confuse the Christian God with the Islamic God. The Christian God sent his son to die and rise again. The Islamic God sent a con that pretended to die on a cross but really had someone else take their place.
I find it funny that people say the Christian God cannot be the same as the Islamic Allah because Islam sees certain things differently. What do you think Jesus is except people saying, oh wait the Jews had the wrong interpretation of events so God sent his avatar (corporeal representative) to Earth to straighten us out. It is perfectly fine for Christians to usurp another religion's god and change some of the fundamental beliefs but nobody else can? That makes no sense. Especially when the Christian Bible tells its followers to make no judgement on other's religious beliefs (judgement is God's alone). I am of none of these religions, and I am not saying that any is above any of the others. You have people saying the Qur'an commands Muslims to kill all other people and back it up with passages that use the word fight (do you kill every time you fight? it must have been hard for your parents to raise any children to puberty) and passages that say may Allah (God mind you) slay them. That hardly says to me go out and kill all non-believers. And I won't even bother to point back to the verse that commands non-Christians to be brought forth and killed (oh wait, I just did). Say what you want about spiritual versus physical, still not good for your side. Don't worry, there is plenty crap to go around. Both sides need to either stop believing what their texts or actually practice what those texts say. Now there is a novel concept. There is little that bugs me more than people that piece-meal their own religious text and then use whole thing to hide behind.
People need to stop worrying what others are doing and focus on their own belief. Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged! and Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye [point out his sins, "minor" in Jesus' example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense we think of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother's eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin]." At Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan, Jesus was talking to the multitudes gathered there after hearing of His message and of His healings to beseech them to not become like the pharisees and hypocrites who think they are above sin. [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
"Quran: Husbands, beat your wifes and deny them sex to punish them." if the quran says this, then you racists are as wise as jesus
The Bible says the exact opposite of that. Acts 17:11 "Read the scriptures and see if these things are so." Then there's "test every spirit to see if it's from God." "If a prophet speaks in my name and the things do not come to pass then don't listen to him." etc. Funny how modern "prophets" avoid making future predictions that would happen in their lifetime to avoid that test of a prophet. So I'm not sure where you get that from. Also, we didn't take the Jewish God. We're on the same page. They just don't think Jesus was the messiah since they were looking for an earthly king. Issues that Jesus himself delt with 2000 years ago. The Bible even says that if Jesus didn't rise from the dead then our faith is in vain. It's not an issue of two distinct Gods. The god of Islam says contradictory things than the Christian God. It's not an issue of mistaken understanding. It's an issue of straight up contradictory commands. I can see how the Jews would misunderstand the nature of the messiah. The only difference between a Jew and a Christian is that Christians believe the messiah already came. And like the Jews, we believe the Messiah will rule the earth. For the Jews it will be the first coming. For Christians it's the second coming. Jews and Christians share the same core beliefs and are looking for the same thing. Islam's god completely contradicts the Christian God.
The Islamic view of God is much closer to the Jewish God than the Christian view. Both Jews and Muslims believe in the value of works whereas the Christian faith believes that salvation is only through faith. Yhwh and Allah are much more vengeful than the Christian God. What exactly does Allah say that contradicts Yhwh? The passage you speak of from Acts does not go to judgement, it goes to following. These are different concepts. Jews and Christians have many similar beliefs because of the shared texts, but many of the beliefs are different (some of them very core to both religions). Have you actually read the full text of the Qur'an or the Tanakh (an historical translation, not the trash we know as the King James)?
The Christians have loads of prophecies in their book that have not come to pass, where as the Quran is very specific and alot of them have already happened.
The OT teaches salvation is by God alone. Not works. There's no difference between the gospel of the OT and the gospel of the NT. I don't know what OT you're reading, the God of the Jews is a very merciful God. In the OT God destroyed the world with water and in the NT he's going to destory it with fire. So I'm not sure what the difference is. In both books God saved a large number of people that didn't deserve it. "all your righteousness is as filthy rags" is found in the OT and is the basis of salvation by God alone. See, a lot of religions confuse the importance of works as a result of God's love towards you and the silly idea that your works are what make God love you. Why don't you show me some passages from the Tanakh and the corresponding King James translation that don't match in meaning? Name two prophecies that came to pass that were completely out of the control of the prophet making the prophecy. There is exactly one prophecy that Muhammad made that was out of his control and came to pass and it simply put a finer date range on an old Jewish prophecy. Joan of Arc made a similar prophecy in her time. Most of Muhammad's prophecies came from Jewish prophecies or he was just telling people to do things and they did them. There are zero that were shown to never have happened and that could never happen. Name two prophecies in the Bible that have not come to pass and can never come to pass.
The Prophet mentioned that there would be signs forewarning the approach of the last day. Among those that have clearly come to pass are: a. The barefooted bedouins competing in building tall buildings. Today we find in the Arabian Peninsula, the Arabs who used to be impoverished herders of camels and sheep, are competing in building the tallest tower blocks. b. The Mosques would be like palaces. This is clearly the case, even though the Prophet ordered simplicity in the houses of Allah, the mosques have become more and more fantastic, with golden domes, marbled floors, lavish carpets and chandeliers. c. Disappearance of trustworthiness, so much so that one would only be able to say: "I know a trustworthy person in such-and-such town." d. The increase in killing, so that the one who kills does not know why he killed, and the one killed does not know why he was killed. I was recently sent an article from the Washington Post about the rise of gang warfare. Part of the initiation ceremony was for a new gang member(some times as young as eleven) to shoot someone. The second highest cause of death from fifteen to thirty five in the US are gun related. The massacre of civilians in the Vietnam War by American troops who had little idea why they were there, and the increase of such conflicts, is further illustration of the fulfillment of this prophecy. As are the rise of insane mass murders, of children killing children, such as Jamie Bulger. e. The increase of the use of riba (usury/interest) so that no one will able to escape being tainted by it. This clearly the state of the world economy today. f. The enemies of the Muslims dividing the Muslim's wealth and lands between them, the Muslims abandoning jihad, and concerning themselves only with the worldly matters. We have already mentioned this. g. The increase of literacy. h. The decrease of religious knowledge due to the disappearance of scholars. i. The increase of musical instruments, and the Muslims making it lawful even though the Prophet has forbidden them. j. The increase of sexual promiscuity, and new diseases that people had not herd of before spreading amongst them as a consequence of that. This is clear, with the arrival of AIDS, and other previously unheard of viruses. k. Appearance of Dajjals (liars), each claiming to be a Messenger of Allah, while Muhammad is the last messenger. There are numerous examples of this, starting with Musailima, who arose in the time of the Prophet, just before his death, to more modern liars such as Elija Muhammad, founder of the Black American racist movement "The Nation of Islam", and India's pretender Gulam Ahmed of Qadian. l. Nakedness of women while still being dressed. m. The drinking of wine becoming common, and the Muslims making it lawful by calling it another name. n. Shouting in the mosques. o. The worst and most ignorant will become leaders and they will be oppressors. p. A man will obey his wife and disobey his mother, and treat his friends kindly and shun his father. q. Men will wear silk and gold, and the making of it lawful by the Muslims even though the Prophet had forbidden it for the men of his 'Ummah (nation). r. People will abandon the religion for a small worldly gain, and keeping to the religion will be like holding two hot coals. So these are just some of the numerous prophecies of Muhammad, that have clearly come true, and some have been fulfilled in this age in which we live, all adding weight to the evidence in favour of his claim. The Prophet mentioned that the Muslims would conquer both Rome and Constantinople. He was asked which would fall first, and the Prophet said: "The city of Heraclius", i.e. Constantinople. Constantinople was taken by the Muslims in the fifteenth century. Rome still remains to be conquered, as it will be. So the order is correct, and rest still to be fulfilled. What is noteworthy about these statements of the Prophet is that they were made at a time when no one could imagine that a small city state, permanently under siege by the pagan Arabs, would reach such heights of power and strength, and that these predictions are not couched in some vague terminology open to various interpretations, like the Bible's Book of Revelation's "Beast of 666", and monsters with horns and little horns, or the meanderings of Nostradamus. The language is clear, their assertions direct, and often with specific names and dates. http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/prophecies_by_mohammed.htm
We're all naked under our clothes. What do scholars have to do with religious knowledge? It's a false religion that tells its members that they can't understand their religion unless a "leader" explains it to them. Or are you trying to argue that Muhammad was ignorant in religious matters because he was uneducated and therefore shouldn't be listened to? That's nothing new. People were doing that before Muhammad. Drinking wine has always been common. Beer was a popular drink because it was safer to drink than water due to the alchohol in it. Same with wine. And are you really trying to convince us all that Muslims got around a wine ban by calling it some other name? Is that really how Muslims think? Maybe they should stop bitching about images of muhammad since they're called "cartoons" now and Muhammad never banned "cartoons."
That probably never happened before. That happened a lot before Muhammad. The Bible makes prophecies about the rising and falling of kingdoms accuratly and Mr Pbuhddy wants to pretend that "shouting in the mosques" is a prophecy that should make people believe he's a "prophet." It's not a "prophecy" if what you're "prophecying" about is something that already happens.
Mosques never existed before Muhammed, neither did any of the things you said happened before him, he was the start of Islam so to say that it happened before him is stupid. As for conquering empires - The Prophet mentioned that the Muslims would conquer both Rome and Constantinople. He was asked which would fall first, and the Prophet said: "The city of Heraclius", i.e. Constantinople. Constantinople was taken by the Muslims in the fifteenth century. Rome still remains to be conquered, as it will be. So the order is correct, and rest still to be fulfilled. What is noteworthy about these statements of the Prophet is that they were made at a time when no one could imagine that a small city state, permanently under siege by the pagan Arabs, would reach such heights of power and strength, and that these predictions are not couched in some vague terminology open to various interpretations, like the Bible's Book of Revelation's "Beast of 666", and monsters with horns and little horns, or the meanderings of Nostradamus. The language is clear, their assertions direct, and often with specific names and dates.
The Old Testament is not the same thing as the Tanakh. First, there are translational discrepancies. 1) Isaiah 7:14 -- "virgin" instead of "young woman" 2) Psalm 22 -- "they have pierced my hands and feet" instead of "like a lion, (they are at) my hands and feet" Those are two of many examples. Second, depending on what version of the Old Testament you are referring to (and if you assume all Christians use the same Old Testament, you need to do a little more research) there are more or fewer books to the Old Testament than the Tanakh (there are versions that have the same books, but they still fall prey to translational differences) and completely excludes the Oral Torah. Third, interpretational differences. Christians interpret the Old Testament to show to of the three forms of God (God and the Spirit). Jewish interpretation of the Tanakh says there is only one God and that the Christian view is idolatry. Fourth, the concept of satan/Satan. When the Old Testament was incorporated in the Christian Bible, satan (which in the Tanakh is a job, the questioner, not and evil being) became Satan, the evil ruler of Hell. As far as differences in beliefs, there is that whole chosen people v. everybody's included. Not just theologically this has been proven out by history. The Jewish faith really has had very little growth outside of the fact the world population increases (whereas the Christian faith endeavors to grow its ranks by bringing in non-Christians). What about the whole Second Covenant thing. Christians believe they have a different agreement with God than the Jews. So it is okay for Christians to have a different agreement, but not for others? What section of the contract was that in? There is no concept of original sin in the Jewish faith. People are born morally neutral. Christians believe we are born corrupt to begin with. The Jewish most definately believe that works are the path to good treatment in the afterlife, while Christians believe all are in need of salvation through God's grace. Hell and eternal life are very different in the two faiths. Jews believe even after death that you are judged every year, where Christians believe your judgement is is once and final for all eternity. Jews do not have a concept of Hell as a place. If you are not worthy then you either sit in a pergutory-like place for a year to purify yourself until the next year (even if you are judged worthy one year you can end up in pergutory the next year). If you are too evil, you are not tortured, you just cease to exist. Yhwh was definately more harsh than the Christian God. Yes, Judaism is a religion of love but lets take some things in. Yhwh is very picky about who will get good treatment in the afterlife. God is very open. Yhwh commands believers to kill their own children to prove faith (yes he did tell Abraham to stop before he actually did it, but still). Yhwh actually did destroy most life on the planet. Yhwh burned cities down and turned people to salt. God, on the other hand, sends his Son to turn water into wine and die for everyone's sins. Then there is the whole thing about justice (which is harsh) being the primary virtue that all other virtues are derived from in Judaism, whereas forgiveness is prime among Christianity. Lets not forget that while Yhwh is compassionate, he is very jealous of his people. Christians do not view God as being jealous at all. Strange that the Jewish faith (the founding faith) views Islam as an extension (albeit wrong in their view) of the teachings of the God of Abraham yet Christians refuse to acknowledge it.
The word for "young woman" and "virgin" is the same. The word is for young unmarried women. The Jewish law was that if you had sex with a woman you had to pay the father and she was now married to you. I guess since it didn't explicitly say "born of a young woman who didn't have premarital sex with a man who refused to then marry her" I can see how you might get confused. Let's think about this for two seconds. Why would a prophet say Jesus would be born of a woman? Isn't everyone? When using the word "almah" it's talking about a virgin. Otherwise the prophet would have said Jesus would be born of a whore or not said anything at all. Or was there some speculation that he wouldn't be born of a woman? It's a ridiculous stretch to claim the prophet was talking about a young unmarried woman whose virginity was in question. You'd have to show me Psalm 22. What Christians do you talk to? The OT makes it clear that he's a jealous God and there's nothing in the NT to suggest he's changed. Jesus was not a nice guy. People who read the Bible thinking Jesus was all full of love missed the pages and pages of Jesus telling people they were going to hell. Nobody talks about hell more than Jesus. Christians believe there in only one God as well. So no contradiction there. Where does it say that in the OT?
http://www.truthnet.org/TheMessiah/12_Messiah_Objections_Psalms_2_22/ Regarding Pslam 22 What it actually says is They maul the hands and feet. Not different at all from piercing them. Try again.
The dead sea scrolls were 1000 years older than the manuscripts used to translate the KJV and yet they agree.