Islam & Christianity: Aren't they so similar?

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  1. LeoSeo

    LeoSeo Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Probably from the book "How i learned about Islam, while zapping"
     
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    #22
    You know its people like you who give Christians a terrible name. So quick to judge and point fingers on other religions when the bible says you have no right to judge others or what they believe thats for god to decide if they are in the wrong or not.

    Then you wanna make it out like islam is such a horrible religion because of extremist muslims like they are such evil people who like to kill people.

    Christians are the biggest hypocrites, your faith is far from loving and peaceful.

    - chrisitians were the biggest exporters and users of slaves for hundreds of years.

    - you got people like hitler who killed millions of jews and other people for there beliefs.

    - even american leaders who tried to exterminate the american indians, and the spanish who pretty much killed and forced people to believe in their religion.

    Honestly if you truely believe Islamic believers are the evil ones then you are officially the biggest hypocrite. I am a Christian myself but im not trying to hide the problems christians have had and try to justify it. I feel ashamed of my religion and honestly where do we get off telling people how to act and what to believe when its a fact we killed more people as christians than muslims , buddist and other eastern religions combined. Peace and love my @ss.
     
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  3. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #23
    You know it's people like you who need to open the book of the people who blow us up and find out why they do it!

    This is from the quran

    in surahs

    "9.29": Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    "9.30": And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

    Read before you call something peace.

    How can peace come from a book that said to fight us until we recognize they are superiour?


    As far as slavery islam just set the black slaves ( MY People ) free in 1950's they were the last people to set My people free! And still treat them bad!
     
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  4. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #24

    From these surahs in the quran!

    "9.29": Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    "9.30": And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

    The quran is where I get that from.
     
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    killafawk Active Member

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    #25
    i never said it wasn't in there i know the quran says stuff like that, but what does it show when chrisitians killed more people as whole than a people who believe its ok to kill if people dont believe in their religion. and you need to open a book, in this case your own religions book. Ever heard about the wars in the bible? like Jericho? remember when god told Joshua to kill every man, women and child in Jericho? Wanna explain what kind of statement thats suppose to mean? oh but then again when people play hardball with the bible Christians just turn around and say "Oh you dont understand what thats suppose to mean, you gotta understand the bible". Well maybe you gotta understand the Quran before you make assumptions about people.
     
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    #26
    First off, it's not my reasoning, it's God's. We are all sinners and the wages of sin is eternal death or hell. Our sin was paid for by the perfect sacrifice. Our eternal judgment is based on whether we accept the perfect gift of salvation which is offered as a free gift.

    If you are honestly interested, read the Gospel of John or the Book of Romans
    and it should become clear.
     
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    #27
    luke 19:27 - But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.
     
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  8. Ckrismoney

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    #28
    That means GOD said to kill a specific people who were against HIM in battle and they were pagans.

    But HE didn't say kill all pagans.

    Just those because HE could see in there hearts that they were not ever going to be with HIS chosen people.

    GOD does believe in war.

    Yes I do read books and I found that Europeans have been that way even before they were Christians so, don't blame Christians blame Europeans for being the same way with Christianity as they were without it.
     
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    #29

    That means slain in the spirit not physically killed.
     
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    #30
    Of course it does :rolleyes:

    So basically, What you do is invent different meanings for words every time you read something you disagree with?

    The world English bible has it as "kill them before me"
    The basic English bible has it as "and be put to death before me"
    The weymouth new testament has it as "cut them to pieces in my presence"

    Of course, They got it wrong and you got it right, Right? :rolleyes: You aren't even trying anymore. it's like you have altogether given up on even pretending to have the slightest amount of integrity.
     
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  11. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #31
    No, Jesus spoke in parables often.

    So you know that is not what HE meant physically.

    He said also

    Matthew 5:44
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
     
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    #32
    One nice verse doesn't off-set the one that talks about killing those who disbelieve. We aren't keeping a tally.
     
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    killafawk Active Member

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    #33
    Christians can never take the bible literally word for word. when someone throws a quote in there face that contradicts the whole bible its either. "thats not what it means" or "you gotta understand the reason behind it"

    sorry but the bible shouldn't have to be explained it should speak for itself. and just because you don't like some parts doesnt give you the authority to change things in the bible because you don't like it.

    Look in the old testament lots of horrible things are said in it that contradict what the bible should be. hence why the christians din't like it and come out with a new version. Pretty sad if you ask me. Whats wrong what made you change wording in the very bible you preach yet you want to hide some or try to play the oh well the times have changed card. like i said. hypocrites
     
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    #34
    No christian or muslim or any other worshipper is to blame for what someone wrote in their "holy books" ages ago. But those of the religions, who follow and implement some of the flawed instructions and ideas given in those books are to blame.
    No religion should be put down for having a few black sheep, ALL religions have them.
     
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    #35
    He spoke in parables for a reason.

    This is why HE spoke in parables.


    Matthew 13:13
    "This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."


    So you see only a wicked unbelieving heart won't understand.

    When you say we say that's not what it means it's because it really doesn't mean that.

    There are just so many scoffers these days but the Bible says that would be the case.

    Acts 13:41
    " 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.
     
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    #36
    Both
    1. Pointless
    2. Have millions of people around the world brain washed
    3. Have people killed in the name of their religion each year
    4. Brainwash children
    5. Have people willing to die for
    6. Untrue

    Normally when comparing and contrasting you have a both column. I took it upon myself to add a small one, anyone have anything to add?
     
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    #37
    Does it or does it not say it?
     
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    #38
    Yes it does say it.
     
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    #39
    actually it just makes it seem like another way to pass off teachings without getting much heat from non believers.

    words are words. Knowing how to understand parables doesn't make you a believer, and why write in parables if your trying to get people to understand you? Why throw words around that confuse or manipulate. The only reason i see a reason to write or speak in parables is a fail safe type system where if your religion comes under fire you can always go back to that "Oh your a non-believer you don't understand" logic. The words are written in plain english right on the page and i understand what every word written means now your trying to tell me it means something else?
     
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    #40
    Once christians were persecuted by the romans. So probably they wanted to get messages across without the romans understanding, maybe.
     
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