Islam calls us Jews and Christians, Pigs and Monkeys

I stand corrected, it does reference memri, which is a valid source. That you choose not to accept it through tactical denial is your problem, not mine. I've clearly demonstrated over and over sources which you continue to deny for convenience.

There is referring to Jews as apes and pigs. I've demonstrated this over and over. You choose to deny it. That is your problem. Lying isn't going to cover up the truth, no matter how you present it, sk.

Thanks, that's cleared up now. It's still not a defense to dismiss the source, unless you believe a "dirty Jew" is decended as the sons of pigs and apes. Is that what you are implying?

I don't work with maybes. I work with facts. As I've demonstrated time and time again, there are numerous sources (including Cair's own screwup of releasing an english version of the quran that mentions Jews as pigs and apes).

Here is one of the videos you might want to deny next.

Pretty sad, forcing little children to refer to Jews as pigs and apes. Go ahead, deny it

 

I'll check back for your latest denial later. Do me a favor though? Could you do a better job this time? If you are going to lie, at least make it entertaining for us infidels

 

It is not a valid source, despite your slow pickup, we've finally established that the source is Israeli and you've clearly skipped over the start of this ridiculous charade by yourself, which was in reply to my asking for an Islamic source, "give me one directly from a group of Muslim scholars." You have still failed to provide such a source, whereas I have pointed out sources such as islamonline.net which point out correct understanding of this whole issue.

You haven't demonstrated anything except your own ignorance and hatred, I gave you a chance to point out where in the children's animation was there an inferrence that Jews are descended pigs and apes. You failed to do so and that was the only working source from MEMRI regarding this issue; if there is anyone denying anything, and you seem to have a fetish for that, it is you since you won't use (scholarly) Muslim sources to understand Islam.

Your argument that if one denies MEMRI's accusations concerning Islam then that person is automatically in error is preposterous at best. As I have shown, ALL the links you have posted refer back to MEMRI, which is not a Muslim source. Only a Muslim (scholarly/majority) source can be a valid view of Islam.

 

Here we go. I was wondering when you were going to reach the boiling point of self inflicted frustration. Now all of sudden GTech is ignorant and hateful for simply pointing out your absurd sense of debate.

You can lie until the end of the earth, but it will never change the truth. Your argument here just isn't going to stick. I don't know why you keep coming back to bury yourself deeper and deeper.

Sorry bud, we're not buying this BS. Your terror budies are willing buy into anything they're told, so why don't you try this line of fact lacking propaganda with them?

 

let see the topic "Islam calls us Jews and Christians, Pigs and Monkeys ". first of all islam dint mention anywhere or says such a horrible thing, c'mon guys your old enough (hope so). the source you might be looking at could be wrong or just another step for one of you Jews or Christians to create an issue between islam.

 

What source are YOU looking at? My source is the same one the Jew haters use.

 

zman, while you are here, do me a favor please...

Take a look at this video sons of pigs and apes that syriankid (oops, I mean qiyamat) keeps denying and tell if you notice any "pigs/apes" in there. It's not hard to spot, unless you are muslim

Now to address snake's deception (actually, he might just be uneducated) take a look here for me:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html

Is it just me, or do all three translations mention apes?

Can we now take a look at the quran:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.060

Is it just me (because muslims may be blind to these things), but do we see both apes and swine?

Can a brother get a peep over here?
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/037.sat.html

How about a peek-a-boo over here?

Those pesky pigs and apes just keep cropping up all over the place. But, they don't exist

 

All of a sudden? Hardly, since over ten posts he has been proving it. Neither you nor he can seem to point out, for example, where in that animation shown on MEMRI does it claim Jews and Christians are (descended from) apes and pigs as the topic claims.

Furthermore in regard to GTech's quotations of the Qur'an itself, it is pretty clear that the punishment of being transformed into apes and pigs was given only to those who disobeyed God's Law (breaking the Sabbath, "those of you who broke the Sabbath"), not to every Jew, the righteous Jews didn't recieve such punishment. It's just a pity he cannot comprehend English properly and has to resort to childish insults.

Ah typical, obviously your "boiling point" has been reach that you have to fantasize about "terror buddies." Ironically, I am trying to convince your bigoted self that Islam does not regard Jews and Christians as apes and pigs, whereas GTech is trying to convince people of the opposite. It's pretty clear who is spreading hate.

 

Still in denial, eh?

I understand though. It is permissible to lie to the infidel

 

The cartoon's title is "Jews Turn into Apes and Pigs in an Clay-mation Film for Children on Hizbullah TV"

if/when you watch it, move forward to about 10:00 where you can see it, then deny it again.

And don't forget to deny this one again too. It's feeling lonely

 

Now I'm a bigot? Oh this is too good.

 

Notice the top comment on this video post.

 

that is shame to involve kids that age like this , that is a big shame

Tv

 

I am having to contain my laughter at your sheer stupidity. That title is one given by MEMRI (remember the anti-Arab organisation) as their own pathetic description of the video, NOT the actual title of the animation!

I have already watched it as I explained to you earlier exactly what happens in the animation. It is set in ancient times before Muhammad. Some of the tribe (implied to be of Jewish descent) disobey the Sabbath and thus incur the wrath of God. As punishment they are turned to apes and pigs and destroyed. The righteous of the village (also Jewish descent) are spared this punishment. Since the righteous Jews depicted here as the Grandfather and boy are not punished obviously they represent the ancestors of any modern day Jews. Do you see the Grandfather and boy depicted as apes or pigs? Nope, they were depicted favourably. But, you still seem to believe that the "annihilated" Jews (who were turned into apes and pigs), somehow produced offspring, then again if you believe that is the title of the animation nothing you say could surprise me.

Just as in your list of Qur'anic quotations you seem to think that Muslims "deny" certain tribes (that were Jewish/Christian or whatever else) were turned in apes and pigs as punishment. Muslims don't deny that, and I don't deny that. What is denied is lies spread by the likes of you that want to make it seem Islam states all Jews are (descended from) apes and pigs.

Just to add your hadith quote, if you bothered to read it, has Muhammad prophecizing that an Arab (Muslim) tribe will be turned in apes and swine as punishment. Which just goes to show your ignorance, since this quote only proves that punishment isn't limited to a particular race/group but Muslims too.

 

You can only imagine the laughter on my end, when I've sourced untold material (of which you've sourced virtually nothing) including the same video you over look each time. But I don't blame you for overlooking the truth, as you simply cannot address it.

So far, your only argument is that the sources I've used (some) refer to memri which (for you only) isn't admissable, because the "founder is a Jew." What, you don't like Jews? Now there's an original excuse, if I ever heard one

Did you have anymore denial?

 

Here's another 600 very specific instances you can add to your list of denials.

Ah, a single one you can add to your list of denials:
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/072862.htm

Don't forget this alarming video showing a 3 year old girl reciting that Jews are pigs and apes.

 

Throwing stones is getting no-one no-where

“I believe in the fundamental Truth of all the great religions of the world. I believe that they are all God given. I came to the conclusion long ago... that all religions were true and also that all had some error in them.”

“The most heinous and the most cruel crimes of which history has record have been committed under the cover of religion or equally noble motives”

“The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.”

“An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind.”

“Nonviolence is a weapon of the strong”

“We must always seek to ally ourselves with that part of the enemy that knows what is right”

- Mahatma Gandhi

 

So I take it you can't reply to what I pointed out about the animation, nor about the hadith quote that describes Muslims turning into apes and swine? Again, where exactly does the animation imply that Jews today are descended from those apes that were soon destroyed by God? And regarding the hadith, if Islam is anti-Jew due to the apes and pigs thing, why does a hadith say the same will happen to Muslims in the future? Not surprising and ironic that you whine on about overlooking and denial when it is you that has been doing such things.

Fantastic, now you misquote me too, maybe MEMRI taught you that. I don't recall posting "founder is a Jew," Israeli yes. Not all Jews are Israelis and vice versa, but I think it is obvious he is not a Muslim thus not the person to go to in order to learn about Islam and in any case MEMRI is considered to have an anti-Islamic agenda with biased views and translations by practically every Muslim that knows of it and many officials in the West (see the Wiki entry linked earlier).

I've explained before, that I had asked for a Muslim source initially, you gave MEMRI everytime (or links that referred to MEMRI). Therefore, your claim in post #15 that you satisified my request is clearly incorrect since we've agreed MEMRI is not a Muslim source and your answer was to a question asking for a Muslim source. Furthermore I don't have a problem with Jews, you must do since you are the one here propagating the Jews are apes/pigs belief.

I've already alluded to the MEMRI interview of a "three year-old." To emphasize, Muslims don't get their religion off infants, maybe you do. Muslims get their religion from proper Muslim scholars, but no, you want to learn from misguided three year-olds (assuming we take MEMRI's translation as accurate, which I wouldn't until checked by an independent Arab)? The poor girl is probably a Palestinian fed hatred by parents who have been subject to Israeli brutality, hate on both sides is inevitable. You don't have to look very hard for similiar things taught about Muslims/Arabs by Westerners or even calls to nuke all Muslims. The difference is, I won't look at those idiots and lump all non-Muslims as having the same thinking.

As an example of a scholarly source read http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=14085&ln=eng
which has the following remarks in tune with what I have been saying:

Therefore this particular scholar who might even be considered hardline by many Muslims positively rejects the notion that anyone (let alone Jews) is descended from apes and swine; furthermore he explains that the punishment will be dealt upon some Muslims in the future.

 

Sorry but I've already bashed your quote of Tantawi and Sudais, which are straight from MEMRI

Here is where your quote is sourced from http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR01102 . The links to references (1) and (2) to "back up" these claims strangely don't work as I've been pointing out all along. So really we just take MEMRI's word for it, as do the many Western articles you like to link to as though they are independent sources.

http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-east/israel/484242-1.html seems to have the same Tantawi forbidding the referring to Jews as monkeys and pigs. Why can't he decide?

 

Are you suggesting muslims in the animation have blonde hair and peyos (side curls)? The animation (#964) shows, beginning around 10:00, Jews being morphed into apes and jews. Are you suggesting now that muslims are sons of apes and jews? Is that what you descend from? You might want to check your argument here, mistah imam, lest you look even more foolish by suggesting something you might not want to

Of course, you haven't even addressed how utterly vile the rest of that trash being espoused by muslims is. This crap is supposed to be indicative of islam is peace and tolerance? How lovely.

Again you are using this excuse. You've established none of the things you accuse "him" of, yet the organization is not him. It is a multi-branched organization and the fact it isn't run by muslims is the very thing that makes it so powerful. After all, muslims are allowed to lie to infidels. I certainly wouldn't want a muslim blowing "peace and tolerance" up my skirt when little girls are being forced to recite that Jews are pigs and apes on video that you continue to ignore.

Your demands do not mean anything to me. I've sourced, time and again, many instances of muslims refering to Jews as apes and pigs. We have not agreed on anything concerning memri. You have simply whined and complained about it because it makes you look foolish

I don't claim muslims get their religion from three year old girls. You can't twist that around, mister imam! It's a perfect example of how muslims abuse children by teaching them this garbage and clearly illustrates the point of muslims hatred of Jews by referring to them as apes and pigs and teaching this trash to children, just like the animation. (unless of course you wear long side curls yourself?)

Learn? No, I'm simply doing what you ask, in providing a source that shows this trash exists in the muslim world. Further, this makes a great case for how muslims clearly practice al-taqiyya (lying to infidels to cover up the truth). You know exactly what you are doing. So do I

Ah, so by default, blame Israel. So now you admit it's true, and offer an excuse by blaming it on the Jews. I see.

So now you are admitting the source from memri is in fact true, that this slapnuts has referred to Jews as pigs and apes, but there is an excuse...a reason.

I think I've proven my point and I believe you have now validated it. Your use of "all" as a common denominator is not valid. I've never claimed "all" muslims repeat or subscribe to this. I've simply noted it exists and it's not uncommon in the muslim world to see references to Jews as pigs and apes.