According to the Torah teachings, Jews are in exile by divine decree. They are forbidden to leave exile and create their own state by physical means. Secondly, Jewish law forbids Jews to rebel against any other nations. Jews are required to be loyal citizens in the countries in which they reside. Hence, the state of "Israel" is forbidden. The creation of the state of "Israel" transgresses these and other basic principles of Torah law. It was established on the land of others, totally against the will of its indigenous population, the Palestinian people, with endless and continuous oppression of its people, including murder, brutal beating, confiscation of their properties and baseless imprisonment etc. Therefore religious Jewish leaders have always and continually oppose Zionism and the state of Israel. They predicted that only tragedy and bloodshed will be its result, G-d should protect us. The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully. In reference to the current tragic situation in Gaza, Neturei Karta in Jerusalem issued several documents to clarify the religious Torah position against the crimes committed by the state of "Israel" and to express that the state of "Israel" should not exist and does not represent the traditional Jewish community. Source: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/20080123.cfm
Yeah, a small group of Jews feel that way. So what? The great majority of Jews and others disagree. What someone's God did or didn't say to them thousands of years ago simply is not relevant to the issue today.
Jews are Jewish, the project of stealing Palestine is done by a political movement called Zionism, and the Zionists will be religious when it fits (promised land), and race when it fits (we been here like 3000 years ago ) or both when it fits, whether religion or race, as a race they do not look like they been here, not even 3000 years ago, and as religion as the OP mentioned it's forbidden, so neither race or religion can justify their biggest fraud in history in stealing Palestine, the place did not matter in fact, as UN documents show Zionists have other places in mind to establish their illegal state.
It's a dangerous state and is really illegal, the way it was created. Problems will be going on for several centuries to come.
Problems have been going on in the middle east for several thousands of years....whats another thing like a Jewish State? Until that whole region gets their heads out of their fourth point of contact and start living in the present instead of some book it will be the same issues. No offense to religious people, whether muslim, christian, or jewish, but these books do not play well with the world we are in today. All countries need to stop thinking about religion when doing political things and countries will prosper more. That includes the US, Europe, Middle East, Asia, Australia, everyone.
Israel is the only democratic, modern and western in the middle east. Jews lived in Israel all over the history, Jews built this land from desert to what it's today, Israel is here and will stay forever!!!
People who are from the Jewish race. Look it up. The religion of Judaism is very different from the cultural group known as "the Jews". I'm posting this from my iPhone on the bus so I'm not able to get you any links. So you have untill I get home to do the research and think of an excuse for making such a grossly illinformed comment.
gkd_uk I find your posts very amusing. It seems that you have made up your mind, and the hell with the other point of view. You keep searching for materials to support your opinion. A real intellectual should look and try to understand the other side, but you don't even bother. Your hate to judaism, Israel, and the zionist movement is pretty much like a religion, the christian religion in particular: always digging far below to find "historical proof" (jesus's sarcofag, that and that saint's body, etc'), but the possibility to find a disproof is excluded in advance. This post is by far the most pathetic. Neturei Karta is the most negligible movement of judaism (not one of the most negligible: but the very most). Here is Israel, they are treated as a joke. Their leader has recently kissed with Irani president (did you see the movie religulous? bill maher? GREAT! Go see it!) Applying anything that Neturei Karta say to the whole jewish world is like saying that all muslims is al qaeda. I suggest you to stop embarras yourself, better use the webmaster forum to promote your websites Here, I made a thread especially for you. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1226313 Cheers Moshe (Israel).
I live in Israel. My parents came from the USSR in the 70. I have blond hair and blue eyes. My neighbour, is brown skinned, he immigrated from Yemen in the 1950's. My collegue, is french, immigrated to israel 1 year ago. A friend of mine is black. Immigrated from Ethiopia in early 1990's. In israel you will find people coming from all parts of the world, after living there for many many generations. These include also: India, Argentina, Poland, Tunis, Egypt, Morrocco, Ethiopia, Cuba, Belgium, Hungary, Turkey, Greece, and many more. We could not possibly belong to one "race", at least not according to the scientific definition (wikipedia): There is one definition, which belong to an idealogy called "nazism", under which me and my landmates can be defined as a race. It does not matter if we convert and baptize, grow christian children from a christian wife, or join al-qaeda, are still belong to the jewish "race". It is very VERY VERY very sad for me, to read a post like yours in 2009.
If the very mention of "race" makes you come over all sickeningly politically correct, we can call it "ethnicity". Though a case could be made (if i could be bothered) that those who identify themselves as ethnicly jewish share physical features and genetic characteristics. But what ever way you want to slice it, Not all "jews" believe in "judaism".
I was not "politically" correct, I was, as a scientist, scientifically correct. Ethnicity is more precise, not yet totally. Those who identify themselves as ethnicly jewish share genetic characteristics, but not physical features. This is just an outcome of history: jews did not marry non-jewish. Actually, unlike the basques of spain or the irish or the kosovo albanians, the jewish case is quite a special one due to the events of the very long history.... Well I don't know what you call "judaism" or "jews" and Im not even sure that I want to know after you defined the jewish people as a race.... Anyway, you and gdk_uk are missing the most important point: Since couple of decades there is a new thing: Israeli nationality. My nationality is Israeli. I define myself as Israeli and not as jew (i'm an atheist). Like: German, French, Dutch? ---> Israeli. The 3 generations of Israeli nationality is the driving force of the great state of Israel. The religion is in 2nd place, if at all. It would be also interesting to hear what you have to say about the role that the UK played in creating the middle east conflict (and dozens of other human disasters around the globe up until 40 years ago).
It's impossible for a group of people to interbreed to the point of having collectively shared genetics and not have some collectively shared physical features. it's a fact that isolationist breeding will cause a population to become more like each other than everyone else. That is to say, Over time, they will start to share more physical features with other members of the same group than they do with individuals outside the group. This is how races within the human species are formed. Not all "jews" believe in judaism. Do you agree with that statement? Yes or no. There are some people who identify themselves as "jews" who not only don't believe in judaism, But who also have never even been to israel. This is the point. Being a "jew" doesn't necessarily infer a belief in a particular religion or a nationality.
Wrong! 1 or 2 generation can change physical features. Believe me, I do not look like my ethiopian friend. it takes thousands of years to change genetic features. Its completely on a different scale. DNA tests can tell if i'm jewish (or have "long jewish history" http://www.igenea.com/index.php?c=40&lp=64 ), but if you just come across me in the street, you will NEVER be able to tell. I just returned to Israel after living 3 years in Switzerland. Nobody ever guessed that I am from Israel. well ... you know... that is a "gray" area. Yea, some people who are considered "jews", like me, do not believe in judaism. This is why I do not call myself Jewish. I am an atheist. The problem are those who call themselves "jews", but still don't believe in god. Thats an inherit problem with religions: they "tag" you, either if you want it or not. Religions are cancerous and must be abolished. Of course it does! To my view, if somebody calls himself "jewish" and don't believe in judaism, he is simply a clown! a real "jew" = "believe in judaism" a non-real "jew" = somebody who's mother is jewish, or don't really believe in judaism. In this aspect it is not different than any other religion.... kinda complicated I know.... I still didn't hear your opinion about the amazing absurd: that the most anti israeli country in europe is the UK. The same UK who abused almost each and every other people aruond the globe. Enslaved, robbed, even 50 years ago, when they occupied an island near africa and deported all of its inhabitants to the mainland, and rented the place for the US airforce. What it is still today. The last person enslaved by the UK, an Indian woman enslaved in the sugar implantations in central america, is still alive today! At the same time, where the people of the "commonwealth" abuse empire were suffering, the UK nobelty was having a nice tea. And the UK, of all european nations, is teaching Israel what is right and moral to do. That's a very very bad joke I think. And you?
LOL. It is so funny to read the words grossly illinformed in your post since these are the words which best describe your posts. I do not need add anything extra to ChaosTrivia posts since he clearly and without any doubt showed how stupid your original post about jewish race was.