I am trying to improve the ranking for a site. It's a friend of the families site and they don't want to change their poor choice of almost all graphics. So my solution is to use some H1 tags at the bottom each page with keyworded text. I would rather have the H1 tag in a smaller font (basically the size of the rest of the text. Would I be penalized for this by the search engines, would they even notice??? www[dot]yangshuomountainretreat[dot]com/index_chris.html Chris
Absolutely do not - you are using the H1 tag as regular text markup. It would be much better to use only 2 - 4 of your best keywords for any H tag, then some regular text under it. Sizing the H1 tag with CSS has no influence on penalties - spamming with too many words in it does. Since the index is almost competely an image, you could also use <NOFRAMES> but be sure not to over optimize the file. example: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>5 - 7 word title</title> <meta name="description" content="description of page written as a 20 word sentence."> <meta name="keywords" content="twelve different keywords found in your page content"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="yourjavafile.js"></script> <link rel="stylesheet" href="yourcssfile.css" type="text/css"> </head> <body> <div align="center"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3"> <tr> <td valign="top"> <NOFRAMES> <h1>Heading Tag 2 - 4 keywords</h1> This is some example text that you would replace with your own content for your website. It's best if you can use a minimum of 200 - 500 words per H tag. Don't use more than two H tags though. Tweak the title and META tags as normal just as you would any other page for your site. <p>Write descriptive content between the <noframes> tags as shown here; remember though, just because this text will not be seen by humans (only search spiders), DO NOT attempt to spam the content by over-stuffing it with a bunch of keywords, text links or other SEO attributes. <p>Create some text links to all your site's most important pages and/or its directories too. <p><a href="http://www.mywebsite.com/mountains.html">Mountains</a> <br><a href="http://www.mywebsite.com/sunsets.html">Sunsets</a> <br><a href="http://www.mywebsite.com/valley-girl.html">Valley Girl</a> <br><a href="http://www.mywebsite.com/big-trees.html">Big Trees</a> </NOFRAMES> </td></tr></table> </div> </body> </html>
Is it really a good idea to use the noframes tags on a webpage that doesn't have frames. Wouldn't that be considered keyword injection?
Keyword injection? That sounds like a term you picked up over at searchenginewatch.com with regard to comment tags. Actually, practicing SEO is the art of keyword injection - it's also knowing how to use page weighting attributes appropriately and within context. The noframes is sort of a last ditch effort to optimize a file - we mostly use it for flash pages where the owners can't live w/o it - though it can be used effectively for any site - as long as you don't abuse it.
If you do this, you will be abusing the <noframes> tag to gain a seo benefit. I wouldn't do it. EDIT: I would give your friend the choice: create more good content, get more links with targeted anchor text, do both or do neither. I wouldn't resort to tricks.
Explain to your friend about SEO and make them understand what needs to be done. There are techniques (seomoz uses them) to use images and hidden text tags so you could try them if you have to use the images.
I find the last two comments above to be unwarranted and without merit. However well-intentioned the gentlemen's suggestions, to say that it won't work, or it's a "trick" is absurd. We are currently using the <noframes> SEO option successfully on several websites. The reason most people get burned using <noframes> is because of their own stupidity - optimization spam and trying to fool the search engines. The next gentlemen suggests using hidden text - an "seo" technique proven to get your website either penalized, or banned. Man, talk about a parade of misinformation - geesh. Oh well, it really doesn't matter at this point since the original poster has correctly re-worked his site (at least last time I looked).
I'm with SEO Tutor on this, he's got a good grasp on SEO. The no frames thing would be on the agressive side though, and there's no need to do this when you can re-write your page properly and rank in a more natural manner, one that will encourage natural IBL's.
I'm struggling to find which poster said it wouldn't work. I still think that this use of the <noframes> element is a trick, as its purpose is to provide alternative content to that displayed in frames, for browsers that don't support frames. You are not using <noframes> for its intended purpose, you are using it solely for a ranking benefit.
Just to let everyone know, I've decided not to use NOFRAMES for now. I will if over the next few months the results aren't great. www.yangshuomountainretreat.com - it's live now
Not so sure about hiding all that text above the main image? [edit] My bad your text is just absolutely aligned at the bottom of your page. I had just turned off CSS to see what would happen and that text popped up at the top of the screen. My apologies - disregard my comment about hiding text. JS errors - you weem to be missing the swap images function.
I wouldnt do what you are planing on doing, instead you should optimize it the right way <h1> are good but they should be used properly, its at the top of a paragraph, with keyword paragraph below that, ive heard that the <h1> should look a little similier to the title in html, im not sure if thats true, domian name can play a big part in SEO too they should know there own keywords