Is this odd? How can this guy be #3 spot in google with only 6 sites linking to him?

ok so the term im targeting gets 24,000 searches per month and has 7,510,000 competetors! When I saw that many competitors I thought stay away! I then checked to see how many sites are linking to the number 1 spot in google for this term and it was 195 sites. Now the number 3 spot on the first page for my search term only has 6 sites linking back to it??!! Most other sites on the first page of this term have anywhere between 60-140....so whats up with this? I thought the number of sites that link to your site makes your ranking go up, but this guy only has 6 sites linking back to him and hes in the number 3 spot with 7.5 million competitors It makes me think maybe this keyword phrase isnt so highly optimized. I have heard inpage optimizing isnt near as important as off page, and off page consist mainly on other sites linking to your website with anchor text that is keyword targeted back to your site...so how is this guy getting such a high ranking with hardly no sites linking to him? It makes me think I might could dominate this niche?

 

To top things off this guy that has 6 links linking back to him has a page rank of 0? Am I missing something here? The #1 guy has a pagerank of 4 and the last guy on the first page has a rank of 3.

 

Is this a rhetorical question or are you going to post a link? We can't tell you how unless we can see what happened.

 

Check the backlinks in yahoo - google only shows a fraction. A link from a trusted authority site carries a lot more weight than a few hundred non-relevant garbage links. Quality, not quantity. Domain age can also factor in.

I wouldn't pay any attention to the 7.5 million search results. Your competition isn't 7.5 million, it's the top ten sites.

 

maybe im wrong...but I wouldnt wanna show the link to protect my niche? Mjewel your saying google doesnt show all the back links? Also 7.5 million means nothing? So basically its all about how good the PR of the links not the quanity right?

 

Google has never shown all backlinks (they don't want link builders copying top ranking sites) and they only update what they show every few months. They only show a small fraction of links a site has. i.e. Google shows 6.8K for forums.digitalpoint.com, while yahoo shows 193K - about 30X more.

7.5 millions means that is how many pages contain that term, but the vast majority aren't trying to rank for that keyword. You don't care if you can beat 7.4 million, you want to be in the top ten.

PR, in itself, is not important. PR from a non-relevant site isn't going to help you rank well. You want relevant links from authority sites (sites that already rank well in the sector). Authority sites tend to have higher PR, but it's the "trust" that is going to help you.

 

hmm, so basically I need to look at my top 10 competitors, most of the site names dont even have the keyword phrase in them. I guess I will give this niche a go.

 

You can not do SEO by numbers the way you are attempting

Your data is seriously flawed. Firstly carry out an intitle:" " check, then an inacnhor:" " check. That will give you a better idea of the competition.

Oh damn there are like so many things I could tell you to do, but there is no way I am going to play 'guess the factor' .

If you want me to take a look, pm me the sites, I can assure you 100% confidentiality. If not then scrabble around in the darkness playing " what have i got behind my back"

 

thanks Old Welsh, I will send you a pm.

 

The number of sites linking to you has little if anything to do with page rank and or SERPS. Hope this helps.

 

wait im confused, I thought if a site linked to your saite that had a good PR and was of quality towards your keyword then that would help you alot?

 

Sure, think about that for a second...

QUALITY, not quantity. That there is the key, my friend.

 

To narrow down your competition did you simply try the search...

"your keywords here

^notice the little "

I am happy to take a look too if you PM me the info, will be online for 20 mins.

James.

 

ok so I get a PR5 ( which is the number 1 spot in google for my phrase) wouldnt that be good? Can I get any better then that?

 

Being number one for your keyword phrase kinda makes having good PR secondary, don't ya think?

 

I dont really wanna give away my niche....I know that sounds pitty but it took me a while to find one I think is worth doing right now.Maybe we can use a example niche such as "dog training"
if you type in that phrase does it look really optimized to you guys?

 

Play your cards close to your chest, this is good if it is a serious niche. I just figured with 7.5million competition it was pretty general (hunting lodge has only 1.5 million and I consider that to be pretty general). You are correct in thinking you will be able to dominate the competition if your IQ is over 85.

Quality over Quantity? Yes, but we are only talking about single digit links here people. You will probably be able to set up a good title and rank top 20 in a few days.

Here is your real competition. There are 45,000 results for your dog training search while there are 25 million results for just dog training.

The first search are people who have your keywords in their title, url and anchor links pointing to them. These people are serious about ranking for this word, either that or they are spamming the shit out of the engine.

Here is the format so you don't have to yank it out of the link, please substitute your keywords for keyword phrase below (duh)

inanchor:"keyword phrase" intitle:keyword intitlehrase inurl:keyword inurlhrase

 

should probably look like

inanchor:"keyword phrase" intitle:keyword intitle:phrase inurl:keyword inurl:phrase

PHP:

sorry for sticking my tongue out at you guys

 

6 links coming in at PR 7,8,9,10 of course going to give a site a mega boost in rank compared to a site that has 1000+ PR 0,1,2 sites as they give a far bigger weight, PR 0,1,2 hardly pass on any PR! and therefore ranking power.

 

Page rank is IMPORTANCE
Text is RELEVANCE

Because a site with a high page rank links to you it will NOT help your relevance, UNLESS it is relevant to your topic and in the right cluster

I don't know why people bother coming to a decent forum like this if they do not read.

QUALITY LINKS do NOT = high PR links it is apples and oranges again