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Discussion in 'Google AdWords' started by Matthew Sayle, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. #1
    Trying to understand the "penny more" system from Google.

    Would this be a decent outline?

    Where did I go wrong?

    Let's say Website A has set a bid of $10.00 per click.

    Website B is bidding $3.00 per click.

    Website A would be shown first, and each click will cost them $3.01.

    Now, let's say Website C comes along bidding $6.00 per click.

    Website A would be first, paying $6.01 per click.

    Website B would be second, paying $6.00 per click.

    Website C would still be third - paying $3.00 per click.

    Ok, the big mega mart, known as Website D, comes along and bids $12.00 per click.

    Now the order is:

    Website D on top at $6.02 per click

    Website A at $6.01 per click

    Website B at $6.00 per click

    Website C at $3.00 per click
     
    Matthew Sayle, Aug 8, 2015 IP
  2. iamalive

    iamalive Well-Known Member

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    #2
    this is not always true
    just cost of bid does not determine position
    ad rank which is partly calculated based on QS - quality score determines placement after bidding
    So if you have a very high ad rank you could win positions on slightly higher bids
    also the lowest bidder may C may pay a lot less than the amount shown provided he is aware of placement and changes bid again so he can in fact not pay $3 but as low as 0.01 on a perfect QS

    qs comes from creating super targeted ads to super targeted landing pages and getting high ctr
    this is why you see people have 1 ad group 1 keyword combos
    given this is extremely tedious and takes a lot of effort to set up or requires a large budget to get these lower costs and higher QS

    AD Rank = Quality Score x Max CPC
    So if you had over twice the quality score as the highest bidder you could rank 1st even if you bid less than half

    There is also minimum cpc which is based on historical values of bid amounts so this may effect the lowest bidder if he is aware and adjusts lower but as always it will be ok for him to do this since he is the lowest bidder anyway
    in practice there are too many bidders for this to be useful as there are rarely just 3 bidders or even just 8
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2015
    iamalive, Aug 8, 2015 IP
  3. epicbud

    epicbud Member

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    #3
    Last two lines are wrong. How can Website B take 2nd place paying $6.00 per click when their maximum bid is $3.00 per click ? Not possible. Website C will take over the 2nd place at $6.00 as they are bidding $6.00. Website B will fall to 3rd place as they are bidding only $3.00

    As for website D.... if they set their maximum bid at 12.00 the order will be like this:

    Website D at $10.01

    Website A at $10.00

    Website C at $6.00

    Website B at $3.00
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2015
    epicbud, Aug 11, 2015 IP
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    qwikad.com Illustrious Member Affiliate Manager

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    That scenario is only possible (if at all) if those sites have an identical landing page quality score, identical keywords, identical bids per each keyword / key phrase and the system estimates each site equally valuable to the search query. I am prone to believe that it will probably look more like this:

    Website D on top at $6.02 per click

    Website A at $6.01 per click

    Website B at $6.00 per click

    Website C will be a no show
     
    qwikad.com, Aug 11, 2015 IP