Is This Ethical? Creating a Dating Product w/o Being Successful w/ Women

I do not think it is ethical. You are selling "Guru" for something you never experienced yourself. What would they get by give money to you? Illusion and assumption or pretending to be?

Even you are hot (from what you have said) but I do not think you could sell the product so far by just an illusion. The truth will be exposed one day anyway.

I would recommend you could selling a teach about "How to being attractive to woman" instead of advice on dating or something that deeper than you ever experienced before.

 

I think you should just promote the REAL Eben Pagan's product as an affiliate and be done with it.

 

I guess its like doing the duties of president when you have never been in political office...
If you never been in office, then how can you ever be a good president?

 

I would say yes it is unethical but if you still feel compelled to create it why not JV with someone who has knowledge/experience in it?

 

Where did he go?

heh heh

 

Best. thread. ever.

 

Hey, where in the hell have you been?

I've missed your sarcastic posts.

 

I've been around.

I've also realized that for every idiot I make fun of on this forum, there are dozens more that I don't have the time or patience to humiliate.

 

This whole thread is a joke.

Why do you feel the need to use someone else's name to "hide your identity" on a forum?

 

Haha... In the MOVIE HITCH, Will Smith was great at hooking others up but struggled with himself... May just mean you are picky, etc... If you are just BS'ing the material then I would say its unethical.

 

Just make that product. Oh and don't tell them that you don't have any experience.

-minanu

 

So, in other words... you don't know whether your stuff works or not.

Give your stuff to someone who WILL use it to get women, and get him to confirm that it works.

If it does, sure, go ahead and sell it. But if nobody has ever used your system to ACTUALLY attract women and obtain results - whether that result is a friendship, a kiss, a one-night-stand, or a marriage - you can't say your system works.

It doesn't have to be you. But it has to be someone.

 

You see - if I was a woman offering dating advice to men - none of you would have questioned my credibility. You would think - "Ohh yea, she's a woman, she should know"... Actually - 99% of the time women give the WORST advice to men. Women are good for fashion advice and they are very good with "networking with women"... Anything else - you will most likely be sorry.

This is -a woman that probably will give good advice.

www.winggirlmethod.com (she's somewhat annoying to listen though, sort of egotistical. Don't know her so I can't judge)

I do think however - that one benefit you can learn from women is asking them on exactly what mistakes men make, what's a turnoff and how she immediately distinguishes losers from winners.

Anyway - I appreciate some of the feedback I got.

I'll test my product myself as well as have several people try it. Like 200 men.

@ the guy suggesting me to affiliate market, I can see your point with being Eben's affiliate. And I actually was thinking of being his affiliate at first but then I came up with a sick idea and a sick brand name. I'm pretty confident that I can stick out from this competitive market place. And NO... I'm not going to copy Eben's sales letters, his business model or try to duplicate the company.

Plenty of marketers tried to do this exact thing and failed miserably. I have my OWN unique idea, sales letter and business model that I think will distinguish me from Eben and all the clones who are envious over him.

I have nothing against Eben or his business. I'm not jealous over his success at all. I've actually studied his programs - Get Altitude and Wake Up Productive. I also studied some of his biography, things about him and some videos of him.

If anything I OWE him for a lot of the stuff that I've learned. I'm not launching this business so I can compete with him or over any of the david deangelo wannabes.

I was also thinking of becoming his affiliate for ONLY his high-end products. Basically - I sell a book - the book then refers the readers to his high-end programs for a more in-depth and intense training on a specific topic in the book.

I'm not very resourceful - I agree. Eben has a lot more going for HIM than I do for myself but that doesn't mean I can still succeed, can I?

The guy has an edge. I mean he was the first in the market. His business assets are huge and he has plenty of online properties worth a fortune.

But like anything in life, you can only have an edge in ONE way at ONE time.

What I'm trying to say is that many people try to take HIS edge and scrap it off. In other words, they build their business upon the philosophy, features, benefits and heritage of another company.

That's very stupid! Yet a lot of marketers do exactly that online. Michel Fortin once said that "implication is more powerful than the truth itself"

You can say your company is great but your company is only great if you imply it. (that's my quote)

How do you imply that? By creating a UNIQUE EDGE for YOUR COMPANY. NOT creating a "edge out of an edge" of another company. All that does is give attention to your competitor and it makes them more powerful. Nor should you model or copy a competitive edge.

Just because someone is at the top doesn't mean one day they will come down. And that's not being negative at all or jealous. Sometimes things need to go down for their OWN good.

Maybe one day when Eben Pagan becomes 55-70 years old - he looks back and says "You know I ran a big great company, now it's time to retire and delegate the business work to someone else or sell the company"

See I believe everybody is born with a life purpose and the life purpose I believe has different stages.

Maybe he might decide to completely END business one day and move on to perhaps some philanthropic goals to give back what he got and live a life WORTH living not necessarily living a "life-style".

Life is about constant CHANGE. Things change.

New competitors come, trends change, people change, cultural changes and new ideas develop that accommodate slightly different needs better. Old competitors grow old, age and no longer hold much interest within the understanding of people and consumers.

He's probably one of the top coaches on dating. Mystery is another guy who's pretty much mainstream. Ross Jeffries is another.

But what is the REASON on why I'm doing this? Not because I want to compete with any of these gurus but because I want to IMPROVE my own life, help other people, make a difference and finally get that breakthrough in my life.

I could care less how much Eben Pagan makes. I'm actually happy for him and the advice I've gotten from him has allowed him to live a life with more purpose, clarity and with more quality than before.

In 2001, when I was 11-12 - I saw Eben's website. I knew this guy way back in the day when he started and the stuff he taught was pretty innovative. It's was things nobody else was talking about, saw or knew. And he didn't say or preach superiority...

Instead he PROVED it. He IMPLIED it rather than saying it. He gave "innovative information"...

That's close to what I'm doing. I being innovative. My idea stands out and it's different. I also plan on uncovering new stuff. My branding is provocative, original and it's goes the OTHER way than most of the dating competitors INCLUDING the big players that revenues of millions and huge assets.

PS. I'll hit on girls and see how the stuff works. I'll give it a trial test with groups of men. I DO NOT plan on selling rehash.

 

Also - I'm getting a sex change.

That's why privacy is important. And that's why I haven't slept with any girl. I had plenty of chances of doing it.

 

I would liken what the OP is proposing to setting up a fake blog.

 

its unethical as your will be selling something you really havent tried and what proves is that your still a virgin
your product will just be one of the thousands in clickbank that weren't sold.

 

No fake blogs, dear.

I don't do that. I simply use a catchy branded Pen Name.

 

If you read my posts - I already stated a million times that I plan on USING IT MYSELF. Becoming successful myself and doing test trials with over 200 men.

Learn to read or get lost. I have a little patience with flamers who provide no constructive feedback, just so they can open mouth to take out whatever stupidity may sit in their absent minded head.

And I won't be using clickbank, bud. It will be a high-end brand. Clickbank gives off a cheap look and the price of the product will be high. It's an exclusive product and I don't need my competitors buying and then refunding on clickbank.

I also prefer to keep the business on the down low - away from marketers. Let it build up and catch some attention by itself. Because I'm sure it will gain too much attention on clickbank.

 

^ I simply replied back to your comment. Don't PATRONIZE ME.

Why would I want to set-up a fake blog anyway? It has no use in legitimate companies. Mainly for unethical affiliate marketers.

I already stated, I'm not doing my original plan, so I don't need ABSENT-MINDED posts.

PS. You didn't even give any advice. go figure...

 

^ Yeah that's fine. Just lack of understanding. bye.