Is there any justification for suicide bombings?

If one is driven to suicide should they have the right to take out the source of the pain? Now I really can't see the point or logic of someone blowing up totally innocent people in a market or church but I would think IF I was driven to suicide I would seriously think about taking out the source of my pain.

ie: if I was constantly bullied and driven to end it all then taking out the bully would be my first priority.

Suicide is often just a fleeting thought and done kind of spur of the moment as an easy-way out. By planning how to take out the bully it provides time to think about the deed and more-likely would provide time enough to back out of the plan. Maybe that's why it's rarer in western culture? We get fathers who kill the wife and kids before taking their own life but don't get too many blowing up judges and politicians. Why not?

PS: Life is here to live. Instead of absorbing all that is bad look for the good and you will find it. If you really want to kill yourself then you should simply change your mind. I don't mean back out, I mean change your obviously flawed thought patterns. It's that easy. Kill your thoughts, not yourself.

 

Think on this,you're living in a Muslim country and have been indoctrinated from childhood about how wonderous it is to be a martyr.You are living in some poverty,are really not that well educated and your future prospects in life look rather bleak.
Then along comes some iman telling you that if you die for the cause you can leave this veil of tears,and go straight to paradise and enjoy 72 virgins.
Your family will be looked after and they will sing your praises for all time.
Some will say "strap me up........Allah akbar!"

Thank goodness that the vast majority of Muslims are moderates and reject this insanity.

 

Yes, I agree that's how it works but why wouldn't the imam push to take out the judges & politicians. I do note they do now seem to target the police more than the innocents these days but their leaders are the one's keeping them brainless and poor so why don't they target them instead?

 

"Do not kill yourselves " Quran 4:29​

 

Apperantly you don't quite get it.It's not when they kill themselves that's the problem.If they wish to do that then more power to them.It's when they strap a bomb to themselves and take everyone with them......that's the problem.
You see Mikael,it's all about involving unwilling participants.

 

The Japanese used kamakazi suicide pilots in WWII because they were out of bombs.

Muslims use suicide bombers because they don't have drones, tomahawk missiles, A130s, cluster bombs, artillery. A suicide bomber is the only way they can get close to the target. Unfortunately military targets are very well defended which is why so many suicide bombs are detonated just outside or near. The lovely Irish IRA would use nail bombs on civilians or in hotels known to be frequented by military /police personnel.

Just like Japan Muslim countries have people who are willing to die for the cause.

 

@boblord666
"The Japanese used kamakazi suicide pilots in WWII because they were out of bombs".

All right I'll leave the last part of your post alone as there is some truth to it.But as to the "divine wind" Japanese pilots,the Japanese were not out of bombs.In fact they used to cram their Zeros full of high explosives to cause more damage.
No,the fact is they were running out of combat pilots towards the end of the war and had more planes than men.
P.S. they had only young cadets left which were no match for the experienced American pilots.

 

It's really hard to relate to the idea of a martyr. I can't remember the man's name now. I'm a little fuzzy on this. Although, I remember there was a man a few years ago that (flew?) into a building, because he refused to pay his taxes. He wanted to be an IRS martyr. The reaction seemed unanimous, even from people that hate the IRS, that he was an absolute idiot. He had set up a blog I think, basically his list of grievances and how he perceived the IRS had ruined his life. Whatever. In this case, fortunately, I don't think he killed anyone but himself. I think it takes more courage to live. Using him as an example, if he felt that strongly, maybe he could have worked to make changes. Instead, he's just plant fertilizer, and I still can't remember his name. His family probably misses him. He didn't accomplish anything. Just a waste.

 

hello Rebecca,

The IRS person you described was a disturbed human being no doubt but really doesn't fit into the martyr mold. It's very unfortunate but sometimes in life everything gets so depressing. If those people choose to take their life they aren't martyrs.

The word martyr has in a small fashion become synonymous with the Muslim world, but I see it differently.

A member of society who has the bravery to step up and represent their country could be described as a martyr. Alternatively they could be described as a member of the defence forces. When they join they take an oath to give their life to their country.

Call them whatever you like - martyrs, patriots - whatever, they are people who have made a decision that their life is worth less than the fortune of their country.

A few years ago on a train one of the teenagers in the seat in front of me said "I think suicide is cool". The reply from the bloke beside her was "It's not cool, once you are dead you are dead." If she went home and topped herself, would she have been a martyr?

A member of western forces who loses their life is called a hero - but I fail to see the difference between hero and martyr.

 

Targeting civilians: Never, there is no justification for it.

Military targets on the other hand is open for discussion.

 

While suicide bombing is immoral and unjustified from every angle, there are people who are willing to do it. Not as an easy way out of their miserable life, but to punish a person/people and send out a message of "don't mess with us", take the 19 men who flew 2 planes into the twin towers and 1 in the pentagon, the amount of loss they brought to the American people is enormous:

-3000 dead Americans in the towers
-1800 dead in Afghanistan
-14,000 wounded
-1000's traumatized
-nearly 500 billion wasted in Afghanistan

 

Herein lies the fundamental difference between our geopolitical philosophies.
YOU-"3000 dead Americans in the towers".
ME -3000 murdered civilians in the towers.

 

I corrected you (see red highlighted text)

 

Diva was quoting you, not some anonymous "Them". You used the word "Dead", not the word "Murdered".

 

Allow me to make it more clear:

While suicide bombing is immoral and unjustified from every angle, there are people who are willing to do it. Not as an easy way out of their miserable life, but to punish a person/people and send out a message of "don't mess with us", take the 19 men who flew 2 planes into the twin towers and 1 in the pentagon, the amount of loss they [believe to have] brought to the American people is enormous:

-3000 dead Americans in the towers
-1800 dead in Afghanistan
-14,000 wounded
-1000's traumatized
-nearly 500 billion wasted in Afghanistan

THEY believe in this not ME. To THEM civilians can be targeted because they are tax payers.

 

There do you hear it?.......That loud grinding noise?..........That's the sound of Mikael backpedaling.

 

Funny. I thought that was the sound of the gears in his head turning as he tries to solve a simple math problem.

Mikael, don't strain yourself man. I wouldn't want you to explode prematurely.

 

That 500 billion is because the American government is stupid and think they can win a war that is not winnable + the 1800 dead in Afghanistan is the American governments fault. the 3000 dead in the twin towers happened on the same day if you think about it suicide bombers hardly ever attack. If they wanted to I'm sure they could do a lot more damage. I don't know about America. But in the UK only 52 people have been killed in the last 10 years from terrorists and they were all on the same day and then we spend lots of money on wars costing more lives and money.

 

Do you think that we should listen to what the terrorists demand?

 

depends what the demand is. but I don't think its worth spending 500bill on a war that we can't win