Is there any good Visual HTML UI Maker ?

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by Veer#, Sep 26, 2014.

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    Is there any good Visual HTML UI Maker ? Needs output as code.
     
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  2. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    No, there isn't... at least if I'm understanding your question as I think you are asking for a WYSIWYG.

    Universally, "visual design tools" for HTML result in inaccessible broken train wrecks of how not to build a website; they are by their very nature a completely flawed approach to trying to build a website and are completely incapable of making sites that are worth a fig.

    Though I say the same thing about dicking around drawing pictures in photoshop and having the giant pair of brass to call oneself a "designer" -- thinking appearance before you have content (or a reasonable facsimile of future content) in a logical document order, marked up semantically with a working CSS layout is putting the cart before the horse and a completely back-assward approach to web development. Anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know enough about accessibility, HTML or CSS to be flapping their gums on the subject, and is packing you so full of sand you could change your name to Sahara.

    No matter how many asshat PSD jockeys and ignorant halfwits saying "use Dreamweaver" claim otherwise.
     
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    What to do @deathshadow , not everyone is good at coding but could have nice concepts in mind. It would be nice for the entire internet fraternity if those people make it real.
     
    Veer#, Sep 29, 2014 IP
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    KewL Well-Known Member

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    It will never happen, machines don't have a mind. You should just start learning to code by hand, its not difficult and it'd be very beneficial to know.

    If you really want to take shortcuts, and pay for it, just use dreamweaver or macaw or something/
     
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    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    Neither do most people who say "I want a website" but are unwilling to put in the WORK to actually do the job properly.

    There's a reason it's called work, not "happy happy fun time" -- no matter how many sleazeball scam artists and sleazier shortcuts get involved.
     
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    KewL Well-Known Member

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    No one wants to learn the fundamentals anymore. I don't know if its the people just on DP or the design community as a whole, but it feels like the majority of "web designers" these days use tools meant to cut web designers out of the picture (if that makes any sense). What happened to it being uncool to use themes and pre-built stuff. I'm not the greatest but just saying...
     
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    I might be a minority here. If I may place a mirror here, why code in a language written by someone else, why not write one of your own ? We had a similar issue when government offices were computerized. Old hands, no doubt they were good at what they were doing resisted the move with claws and teeth afraid of loosing their jobs. I do understand there is a great importance for coding knowledge. But concept on the other hand is even more precious. I am not getting into an argument in any case. I lost. :)
     
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  8. Helge Sverre

    Helge Sverre Prominent Member Affiliate Manager

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    I think this is exactly what you want, don't bother with deathshadow, he is mean to noobs, but he's got a point, if you don't know any html or coding, you won't be able to fix issues that will come up eventually, either way, here is a neat tool that lets you design websites and output it as HTML.

    http://macaw.co/
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    Pinegrow is also quite good but you really have to know your stuff to make it work - otherwise it's quite daunting.

    The solution for people with really good ideas is to pitch your business plan so that you can get some investment and hire the people who know how to transfer your ideas into reality.

    Learning a bit of html and php isn't that hard. Treehouse promote their system as taking an hour a day - you could do it on the train, before work, in the evening while doing the marketing and business parts of your plan during the day.
     
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    kk5st Prominent Member

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    I remember my introduction to web development; a friend wanted an online shop, and I 'knew all about computers and stuff'. This was 1999 or 2000. He said that he had bought Dreamweaver and I could have it to build him a site. Well, knowing nothing about html at the time, I said I'd take a look. In short order, I had figured out that it would take me longer to learn DW than it would take to learn html; and I'd have to learn html anyway. Long story short, I learned enough html, javascript, php and sql to build his site for him and never touched that damned silly Dreamweaver again. I did spend the next ten years or so, until retirement, making a good living from fixing broken sites built with DW and other WYSIWYG gui editors. (Not to mention the silliness that was IE until only recently.)

    The plain truth is that all of these 'helper' applications are good only for trivial sites. Serious business sites require that the developer knows his shit. Period. It is not sufficient that the developer deliver some DW generated prototype with pasted up css and javascript. Junk like bootstrap make a mockery of inheritance and cascaded style rulesets. jQuery is a lovely library of functions that is unbelievably bloated. You really need to know enough js to strip the library down to its skivvies for actual use in a given site. If you know js well enough to do that, you don't need jQuery and its learning curve; you simply build your own library components. Don't even get me started on the idiocy that is a grid system. Grids are built to give graphic designers, who know nothing but print design, a hook on which to hang the wrong stuff. The web is not print and until the designer is comfortable with that idea, he or she will never be a good web designer.

    Don't get me wrong. There are places for the copy/paste site. Blogs and the simpler forums are good examples, as are the typical artsy-fartsy 'look at me' sites. Gamer sites are the poorest of designs, but that's alright. Just don't kid yourself that you're building a site meant to do real business on the web.

    cheers,

    gary
     
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    You can learn it the shortcut way by downloading some websites or open source projects and learn how they were coded. I've built a Facebook-cloned website by using code found in Wordpress lol ;)
     
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