Is there a tool that shows how varied your anchor text is?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by kianah, Jan 2, 2007.

  1. #1
    After doing a lot of link building with about 10 different anchor texts (keyword phrases) I have begun to lose count my anchor text percentages

    Is there a tool that will spit out some type of data like:

    Anchor Text Percentages for: www.widgets.com

    "widgets" 17.8% 600 links
    "blue widgets" 7.5% 150 links
    www.widgets.com" 7.1% 135 links
    "red widgets" 5.5% 99 links
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    That would be extremely handy...

    second question, what in your opinion is "varied enough"

    10 different anchor texts spread out over 10,000 links
    20 different anchor texts spread out over 10,000 links
    30 different anchor texts spread out over 10,000 links

    and what would you safely say is the highest percentage an anchor text can have in order to not raise any red flags? 5% - 10% - 20% - 30%?
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    I'm sure this is all speculation, but if you think you have a good grasp on rough estimates i'd like to hear your opinion. Thanks in advance! :)
     
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  2. manageyourlinks

    manageyourlinks Peon

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    10,000 links. heh you better have about 1000 different variations IMO. otherwise it looks too fake. 10-30 variations is not even close to enough.

    as for that tool. cant say I have ever seen one.
     
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  3. kianah

    kianah Peon

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    Well what if you put out 15 awesome articles that everyone links to (with one link on each article) well that's 15 anchor texts - now you get thousands of links to it, and it's legitimate. Can you get penalized for offering good content?

    Another scenario. I have www.widgets.com - my competitor www.best-widgets.com is always out ranking me. I make 10,000 garbage links all with the same anchor text and Google penalizes him. A lot of big companies would be doing that to their competitors if that was the case. People could extort website owners, or disgruntled employees or customers could sabotage websites. "Joes hardware ripped me off, i'm going to make their site disappear.""

    So...this is my assumption (please tell me if i'm way off) Google can hold you accountable for onpage factors like hidden text and linking TO bad neighborhoods (that is stuff that is in your control) - But Google will not penalize you for something like posting 10,000 links on bad neighborhood sites, because this is beyond your control and could be someone other than the site owner doing this. At worst they will discount the links they think are suspicious. Does that sound plausible? Thanks.
     
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    thats the thing. Google generally penalizes sites who sell links and not the situation you mapped out. Otherwise everyone would go around and do that to hurt their competitors sites.

    "So...this is my assumption (please tell me if i'm way off) Google can hold you accountable for onpage factors like hidden text and linking TO bad neighborhoods (that is stuff that is in your control) - But Google will not penalize you for something like posting 10,000 links on bad neighborhood sites, because this is beyond your control and could be someone other than the site owner doing this. At worst they will discount the links they think are suspicious. Does that sound plausible? Thanks." - EXACTLY.

    As far as variations go. The more the better. The more you use, the more "authoritative" you come across to google.
     
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    try SEO SpyGlass. Once you gather all your backlinks, it'll show you the percentage values you need.

    Hope this helps,
    Warkot
     
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  8. Tim_Myth

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  9. kianah

    kianah Peon

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    that one is nice - they shoulda made the summary report with a print button, seems like just a sampling too of my links bt a big enough sample to get a good idea of which ones might be a little overdone, this is awesome, thanks for the tools!

    Note: my two highest anchor text occurances are "not found" oof
     
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    maldives Prominent Member

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  11. manageyourlinks

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    Beacause.... that is...

    www.whitehouse.gov

    not www.myecommercesite.com

    That site could probably get away with highway robbery before they penalized it whereas myecommercesite will get HAMMERED if it so much as lifts a limb.

    my2cents
     
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  12. kianah

    kianah Peon

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    Ahhh, I feel dumb - you helped answer my questionin a sort of indirect way.

    They have 2,400,000 links. So 10,000 links with "miserable failure" will get you a number 1 spot for "miserable failure" which has only 1,260,000 results so that is a piece of cake. But with over 2 million links there is no way that 10,000 links of the same anchor text would be considered overdoing it at all.

    Thanks for your help.
     
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  13. manageyourlinks

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    NP at all.

    Honestly its not something talked about a lot. The same methods might work for an authoritative site whereas a normal 1 year old ecommerce site will not be able to incorporate or get away with the same schemes to increase their rankings.

    Google looks and groups all sites differently, and has different levels of penalties for each of them.
     
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  14. Tim_Myth

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    Along the same lines, I wrote a peice of software to help article authors submit their articles to article directories more quickly. I called it Article Distributor and released it for free with one small catch: it automatically places the blurb "Submitted with Article Distributor" at the bottom of the author's resource box. This helped me get about 10,000 backlinks to my software page in just a few short months (marketleap stats: www.after5webdesign.com/software.html total:11,366 Google:127 MSN:336 Yahoo:10,903 ). The down side is that everyone of those links has "Article Distributor" as the anchor text. The plus side is that I outrank the squatter that registered the domain name articledistributor.com after I released the software. Am I penalized? I don't know...I could certainly be doing better, but I'm not banned or anything.
     
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  15. kianah

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    Is this a taboo subject, or just not something brought up a lot, because anchor text is extremely important for ranking under particular keyword phrases.

    I have one more question if you dont mind:

    keyword "widgets"

    If you make a links with the anchor text "widgets" and you make links with the anchor text "blue widgets":

    will "blue widgets" link count as another "widgets" anchor text link (because it contains widgets (and places like google webmaster tools show keyword phrases broken up into single keywords) or is that considered a different anchor text.

    In other words:

    "widgets"
    "blue widgets"
    "red widgets"
    "purple widgets"

    Would that be considered overdoing "widgets" for anchor text or is that 4 different anchor texts?

    Thanks for your input, you've been quite helpful!
     
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  16. kianah

    kianah Peon

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    That helps confirm my theory. Now how long have you been ranking #1. (or 1st page) Will you stay number one until someone else comes along with more links than you for that keyword, or will you slip down quickly? I'm interested to find out how long you've been up there.
     
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    My wife has a website for her DJ company: By Request DJ & Karaoke Company. Her company name is used as the anchor text for most of her links, and as a result she ranks well for certain phrases from her name. For example:
    DJ Karaoke 1st
    Request DJ 1st
    Karaoke Company 2nd
    DJ Company 7th
    Request Karaoke 8th
    Karaoke 46th

    As you can see by her ranking for the word Karaoke (which is always used in a phrase and is never the only word in an anchor), so long as the word appears in the phrase it will help you rank.

    However, she ranks less well for phrases made from her name like:
    Company Karaoke 4th
    DJ Request 5th
    Request Company 37th
    Company DJ 17th

    This shows that the order of the keywords is important. She ranks 2nd Karaoke Company but 4th for Company Karaoke.

    hth
     
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    I've been there for about a year (11 months?). I don't track my ranking for that keyword, so it is possible that I slipped at some point but regained it later. I know that the 3 or 4 times I've checked I've always been number 1. I wouldn't be disappointed to lose my place since few people search that phrase. Most of the traffic I get for Article Distributor comes via word of mouth (like a blog or email) or from the link that gets attached to the bottom of the articles.
     
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    Seems like it makes a difference, but not a lot, 2nd or 4th - it's all pretty good!

    Rep added, Tim. I appreciate the insight. Anybody else in the know? Feel free to chyme in!
     
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    #20
    All these terms are relative, and are not that competitive. So once again different strategies might work.

    If you are going after a really competitive term you HAVE to have variations in your terms to own that #1 spot.
     
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