There is no god. I agree with Yo Yo on this one. I realize people have the need to feel like after they die they go on in spirit but it just isnt so. Like I said before god is a make belief friend for adults and the greatest scam of all time.
How naive. Every intelligent scientist believes in A GOD. Just not necessarily Jehovah. I don't believe in Yahweh. El-shaddai. Etc. Stephen Hawking gained belief after an experiment he believes proved the existence of a spiritual force to him. Albert Einstein, and so on. Science, with a quick glance, affirms athiesm. True science, with a deep understanding, proves spiritual creation. The funny thing is, how gullible you are. Do you actually trust your government and media to tell you the truth? You think science has taken the mystery out of life. When with a deeper look, only begins to unravel a greater mystic view. Science today, only describes things by what THEY DO. They don't know anything about what THINGS ARE. You use dead vegetables to propel your vehicles, and other fossil fuels are powering your computer RIGHT NOW. Look a broccolli powering your screen. Now, a cucumber. Get the point?
O Please Natural Selection disproves your creation nonsense. Listen you cant prove that something doesnt exist so im not going to try to prove it but I can prove when something does exist. So if you can show me proof that god exists I will believe it.
Wow. You don't believe in the guided hand theory? Newton's law of entropy: all things are prone to chaos! You think, that a dumb one-cell organism was capable of organized "evolution" into a creature with a brain? You're the one who believes such an amazingly unlikely thing! Here's the proof #2: You can fathom his existence. Humans CANNOT think of a concept that does not exist. We can think of distinction about a concept, but not the concept itself. There are scientists who explain it far better than me, such as Stephen Hawking. Proof #3: Big Bang Stephen Hawking and others who participated concluded that all existence came from one source. Merely one source exploded the entire universe into being at a second. Why would a universe suddenly fabricate itself? Now, I am NOT saying Jehovah is God. I do not believe in the Christian God. But I do know their is a creator. Proof #4: The laws of life and death. Someone had to create the laws of life and death itself. Living and dying are concepts. Proof #5: Creation itself is a creation. Evidence: The who created the who created argument. For instance you came from your parents. If you believe in evolution, you believe your ultimate ancestor is a one-cell organism. Now who created him? And who created the universe? Who created the guy who created the universe? The only way the cycle ends, is if there is a alternate realm where the laws of life, death, and creation do not apply.
This is a great discussion! I believe that there is a God, and have found one religion to be more closely aligned to what seems to be the natural order of things. Keeping that aside, I have proposed the following (in the seventies) to a class discussion that resulted in being suspended from school for 1-week. The discussion was about evolution ... As I pondered the images on the desk of the primates and the progressive stages of evolution of man, something occured to me. I raised my hand and asked "if man has evolved, why are the primates still here? Why didn't all creatures evolve like man did? " ... and the discussion grew with excitement. This went on until the Principal overheard the conversation, and removed me from the room, and thus from the school for my week of an eye-opening view of public education. (the rest of the story is long and drawn out ... later if needed). One of my last comments I was able to openly and freely discuss (prior to being removed and literally reprimanded) was this question "If a bird ... prior to finding the ability to fly ... had never experienced flight, how did it figure out that it needed to fly?" (not to mention the engineering, mathematical extremes for successful mutations, etc ... ) So began my journey ... does this explain "a god"? no, but it certainly makes it clear that choice is key in God's mysterious role, doesn't it? God became a clear option after realizing that our (mans) explanation was loose and missing many components. I realized we needed as much faith to believe in evolution as to believe in God .. maybe more for the big E. One of the amazing things about our universe is the mystery of life in all things: solid, living and suspended in gases. That is that the very core of the the atom (and even smaller) has complicated function and that it functions from some unknown force of life. This living "thing" has one amazing feature that could result in one amazing end. If at any time the force that moves the machines in the electrons, protons, etc. happens to stop collectively, then what ever "was" will be no more. The atoms will dissipate and disassociate completely. Now, imagine for a moment that God is well, "God", and he is the operator of the "life" in all of the smallest things that are the makeup of the biggest things -- a snap of his fingers, and all living, solid and gas ceases to exist ... or vice versa? Maybe even on small localized scales? A little extreme? Perhaps. Is it possible we really are just a figment of God's imagination? Maybe. Just a thought? God's thought? Perhaps. Gotta run ... PS: as far as "suffering" and "why", try this on: If God says "this" (being here on earth in these bodies) is not the last stop, then what does it matter if we are subject to the same forces as the rest of nature? We aren't home yet. Right? So suffering is really "lessons in living", isn't it?
Religions is sensitive info , I'm not gotta talk them here. Like the Crusade , The religions difference make them KILL another But Dp'ers never do there , right ? Personally I'm not believed in God , I'm not christian But the "Trusting in God" will makes anyone success
it is all upon person believing if person believes then god is there otherwise not acc. to my believes god is definetly there different names has been given depending upon on religion.
It's funny, I was talking to my son (gonna be 3 next month) about Jesus and God, trying to explain to him what Easter is about. I asked him if he loved God and he said "Love you God, the best whole world." What is funny about it is the fact that he started saying "I love you da da, your the best da da in the whole world", for no particular reason one day. I just found it kinda cute that he said the same when explaining God. No matter what you believe, sharing a loving and caring environment with a child can do wonders. I've never experience terrible twos, I doubt I will see it in the threes. YMMV
I believe in God... I feel lucky everyday that when i sleep and lost my consciousness... God made me woke up.
Notice how the athiests couldn't come back with a response. A universe of entropy can ONLY be created by a universe where the laws of entropy do not apply. Don't be confused however. I am not a Christian. I am merely a scientist who follows the facts, and the facts prove there is a creator.
Says who? You are a complete contradiction. Earlier you was mumblin' about humans not being able to even think of the concepts that are beyond our universe. So is it only you who is excluded from this? Mighty Cyrus255, the all-knowing who believes he's exempt from his own statements. I aren't confused, you know fuck all but you like to think you have some answers or grasp on the universe. Suggesting there is facts to prove a creator exists indeed. You know fuck all when it comes down to it, like everyone else. Just because you think you're coming from a scientific viewpoint you think it's OK to believe in a creator well it's not. You're still an idiot like everyone else who follows a religion or believes in a God. Pete
It's people like you who make a very strong case for the existence of Evil. Why use the f-bomb twice? Instead of having a logical argument you have lowered yourself to common name-calling and cussing. I am not exempt. Humans cannot concieve of a concept that they cannot SENSE. The only way we can know of something is through sense. A blind person can never know what color looks like. A deaf person cannot know the beautiful sound of a morning bird. We can only concieve of concepts that exist. Like we can concieve of a creator because a creator exists. The DISTINCTIONS of the concept, like "which God" so on, and so forth are debateable. Like a blind person can not know what color is. And two people who can see, may see DIFFERENT COLORS from the same object. Relatively simple, my cussing friend.
Cyrus, Ok I was gone for a week but I got back and started laughing at your post. Its very typical of someone who believes in God because its defies logic. I will explain... First of all as to your Newton point... Look Up the Logical Fallacy "Appeal to Authority" Mostly that Newton was a scientist and that hardly qualifies you as an expert in Universe Creation and God. 2. I think of things that dont exsist all the time. Aliens, Unicorns, ect ect ect. We make up concepts all the time. Also, you might argue that those are just things pieced together or whatever but I would just argue that god is just like a unicorn. People have pieced together what god is or means. If you want proof of the piecing together of god study ancient religion. People started with Many gods with different powers then progressed to one god ect. The progression of god basically just followed philosophical teaching with some lag. Think Platos one god then christainity followly behind a couple hundred years. Currently our concept of God changes rapidly do to scientific discovery. Anyways im tired I could dismantle your whole arguement piece by piece but I would rather go to sleep. I look forward to your responce in the morning.
its not Gods job to stop the suffering, its our job, we should stop leaving it all up to god to fix everything, we need to do it ourselves, but no matter how many times people say this exact same thing, most people are just too selfish and self-centered and too concerned with their own lives to do anything about it.
1. What makes you think it's Darwin or God, like they're mutually incompatible? You can accept the truth of both with no logical contradictions. 2. Did you hear the one about the dyslexic Agnostic who laid awake all night worrying about whether there was a Dog? 3. I recommend reading the books The House at Pooh Corner by A.A. Milne, Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Suess, and The Heart of a Dog by Albert Payson Terhune. 4. Party on, Wayne. Party on, Garth.
I believe there is a God. Look at the human body, its complexity and beauty. Look at all the diverse creatures, flowers, trees, etc. Doesn't make sense to me that it all would emerge from essentually nothing.
Given the evidence in my Life I can for sure say that I have a Mighty Father in Heaven .... I have seen situations that were impossible become possible, I have seen hoplessness turn into hope , I have seen hate turn into love and I have seen Joy where there was tears .. Coming from a person that was run over by a car and dragged down the street - bedridden with a major brain injury -The docs and everyone said it was hopeless ... to a man who has full use of all his limbs and manages a full time business now ... I can honestly tell you ... I had to work hard to recover, but I believed that if I just sought His Kingdom that I would and could recover .. and I did
things just not happen by accident especially that we notice that every living creature that roams the world will not just come out of nowhere without a Creator or a God. things do came from something or someone...