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Is the PR update finished? Or is google still updating?

Discussion in 'Google' started by Worldwid, Apr 24, 2005.

  1. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #21
    If that were true, why aren't you seeing everyone who runs coop ads in here with the same comnplaint? Indeed, if you peruse the threads at D-P. you'll find several people saying the opposite.
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2005 IP
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    onestop Well-Known Member

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    #22
    I don't think it has anything to do with coop. I've coop for all my sites, and all of them have increased. Most are PR 5 now.
    And I have a VPS and all of my sites moved to same C Block IP's after the last PR update, and due to the natural linking practice, it didn't affect it at all.
    So as soon as you stay away from spam, you shouldn't be penalized.
    Did you check the SEOChat tool? are they still showing 0 ?
     
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  3. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #23
    Hmmm... yes. For the site that was showing the most variable results yesterday, more ups and downs but on different centers today. The ones that were varying yesterday have returned to PR5 but now a couple of others have dropped to PR2 (even though the page was a PR4 prior to the update... not sure where that PR2 is coming from).

    The variations are only on 216.239.57.104 and 216.239.53.99
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  4. kewler

    kewler Peon

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    #24
    I have see more rollback of the PR data on these DCs for many sites (esp. those that were PR0)

    site 1
    216.239.53.99
    216.239.53.104

    site 2
    216.239.57.99
    216.239.57.104
    216.239.53.99

    site 3
    216.239.53.99
    216.239.57.104

    Maybe they had incomplete data? at least my server was down the last weekend :)
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  5. kewler

    kewler Peon

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    #25
    site 4 on 4 DCs already :) back to PR6 from PR4 :)

    216.239.57.99 6
    216.239.57.104 6
    216.239.53.99 6
    216.239.53.104 6

    others e.g.
    66.102.9.99 4
    66.102.9.104 4
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  6. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #26
    I'm not convinced it's "rollback" -- in fact, since where I've seen this happening, the datacenter in time reverts to the original new value, it can't be a rollback -- the other point is, that site/page hasn't been a PR2 ever, if I recall correctly... I believe it went to PR3 directly in the first update after launch, then to 4, and now to 5. So it's not "rolling back" in the sense that it's a previous value -- it's a new, never-existed value.
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2005 IP
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    l234244 Peon

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    #27
    All them calculations over all them datacenters, cant see google wanting to rollback the results
     
    l234244, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  8. kewler

    kewler Peon

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    #28
    @minstrel: that sounds amazing.... that would mean they do their calculations now with a multi-step process - probably to manage the increased number of factors, filters,etc.etc.

    Maybe step 1 for all the lower-PR links (not so important) and step 2 for counting all high-pr links ? that would explain my initial drop to lower values
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  9. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #29
    I really don't know, kewler. The first step for the site I'm talking about was that everything went to 5... then several hours later it seemed they started doing some fine-tuning...

    I just checked again and now there are 3 datacenters showing PR2:

    toolbarqueries.google.com (again! even though my toolbar still shows PR5)
    216.239.53.99
    216.239.53.104
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  10. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #30
    Okay. More data to ponder:

    If I enter {domain}/ alone, I get all PR5 except:

    toolbarqueries.google.com PR2
    216.239.53.99 PR2
    216.239.53.104 PR2

    If I enter {domain}/index.php, I get all PR5 except:

    toolbarqueries.google.com PR4
    216.239.53.99 PR4
    216.239.53.104 P4

    (The site was PR4 before this latest update)
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  11. kewler

    kewler Peon

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    #31
    just look at this:

    toolbarqueries.google.com 7

    64.233.161.99 0

    64.233.161.104 0

    66.102.7.99 0

    66.102.7.104 0

    216.239.59.99 0

    216.239.59.104 0

    216.239.37.104 0

    216.239.39.99 0

    216.239.39.104 0

    66.102.11.99 0

    66.102.11.104 0

    216.239.57.99 0

    216.239.57.104 0

    66.102.9.99 0

    66.102.9.104 0

    216.239.53.99 0

    216.239.53.104 0


    is there another IP that the PROG/SEOCHAT DNS resolves to?
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  12. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #32
    I'm confused by the question... if you mean are there other similar programs:

    http://www.mcdar.net/q-check/datatool.asp
     
    minstrel, Apr 25, 2005 IP
  13. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #33
    Today my PR is reverting back to old values then back to new. Gotta stop looking ;)
     
    Homer, Apr 25, 2005 IP
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    mcdar Peon

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    #34
    minstrel,

    As far as PR is determined, www.site.com and www.site.com/index.htm are two different items.

    To retreive a PR value, a "checksum" is calculated for the url entered. That checksum value must be submitted to return the PR value.

    So, the checksum calculation is different for www.site.com and www.site.com/index.htm or even www.site.com/.

    This is why it is very important to make sure your backlinks are all uniform and pointing to only one "version" of your page's url.
     
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  15. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #35
    Thanks, Caryl. I do understand the point about www.site.com vs. www.site.com/index.htm vs. www.site.com/ (and vs. site.com, etc., as well)...

    I was noting that although the values were different for those two versions of the URL, the centers that were out of synchrony were the same three ecnters, at least at the time of that snapshot. Not sure what it means but it seemed to me it might mean something (as I ask myself, "Can you get any more vague, David?")... anyway, I found it interesting...

    What the heck did any of us ever do with all our time before Google? :D
     
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    #36
    Hi McDar,

    could you please provide me a full IP list of toolbar datacenters (NOT in the list above)?

    thanks,jez
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP
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    mcdar Peon

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    #37
    Google does seem to still be having problems returning consistant results across the Datacenters. It almost looked (at first) like everything would be back to normal with this update...

    But alas...

    I am seeing both Backlinks and PRs drifting in and out throughout the day.

    Absolutely incredible! They'll get things working right again one of these days.

    What did we do before Google? - Worked for some other jackass (besides myself) :D

    Caryl
     
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    #38
    kewler,

    You should be able to grab them off of one of our tools.

    There are about 33 Datacenters located on the Datacenter Quick Check Tool. There are probably close to 46 searched by the Google Datacenter Watch Tool.

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Apr 25, 2005 IP
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    #39
    @mcdar: I found only 33 DC IPs on your site - you wrote about 64 or so...
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP
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    kewler Peon

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    #40
    update: I am at 38 now :)
     
    kewler, Apr 25, 2005 IP