Is the Bible a reliable historical document?

I have been told that the Bible is one of the most reliable historical documents ever.
I have also heard that it is just a bunch of hyped up myths and stories.

Is the Bible as historically acceptable as anything else? and if so what implications does that have on the message in the Bible?

 

There are loads of proofs that it's maden by bunch of people then.. also the picture of Isus with friends, isn't actually Isus, but famous paint artist.

 

UH - there are no pictures in the Bible!

The Bible like the Quran was written by many people. Over periods of time.

 

Think about it for 1 second

 

The message of that religion has no historical significance.....only that change is inevitable over time, IMO.

Your second is up - Add.On, the perfect sense guy.

 

LOL That is an awesome, funny but true definition.

 

I would have replaced "cosmic Jewish Zombie" by "a hippie jewish son-of-a-...virgin"

 

lolz who said you that Quran written by people over period of time?

i know Bible is changed time to time, But does not, Allah says i promise that no one can changed a single word of Quran till Judgment day

 

Bible is most historical but it has changed time to time by chiristan pops and others,

its only the Quran which is 1400+ year old Book and no one yet changed a single word of it, even no one can changed because in the Quran Allah promise about that, (Every year thousands of Muslims memorised the whole Quran so no one can change it)

 

LOL I suppose you are gonna tell me Allah wrote the Quran or something equally ridiculous next?

The following people are all purported to have had a hand in the writing of the Quran >

Imrul Qays, Zayd b. Amr, Hasan b. Thabit, Salman, Bahira, ibn Qumta, Waraqa and Ubayy b. Ka'b

 

Muslims believe that God send an angel to speak to the prophet Mohamed in a cave and started to dictate the words in Quran to him. Since Mohamed didn't know how to read or write he would tell his closes friends and followers who new haw to write all the verses that the angel told him. All the different verses in Quran latter on were collected and put together in a book. And the Quran was not changed ever since. In my opinion not changing the Quran and evolving it in present day society and human rights has become a huge problem and will become a greater problem latter on for Islam. Islam is the hardest religion to follow and Muslims go strictly by the book. 1400 years ago society was way different than now and when Quran was first introduced i believe that it effected people in a positive way. For example slavery was prohibited, also it stated that man and woman are equal and woman should have a say in everyday family life and politics. Also Islam allowed people from other religion to practice they religion freely if they choose not to be converted to Islam. ( even do it had very cruel and harsh punishments for woman ho committed adultery, but 1400 years ago woman had a lot more other things to worry about than being punished for adultery.)
The point that i am trying to make is that right now we are in 21 st century and Muslims need to think and act like in 21 st century. You cant follow the same rules and laws that were written 1400 years ago for eternity. If you do you fall way behind with the rest of the society and instead of prospering and providing good thinks for the society you will remain in the stone age forever and be a nuisance to everyone that don't follow your religion or don't believe in God at all.

 

there are some things have just been discovered that's only been mentioned in the bible like ceasar's coin so i guess its reliable.
qur-an is reliable in terms of science

 

I've never read the Bible so I wouldn't know.

But like any book I wouldn't believe everything you read.

 

I am aware of this belief in the Angel Gabriel being the angelic messenger Mohammed received his revelations from klardi. The same angel is the one who is said, in the Christian Bible, to have foretold to Mary the imminent birth of Emmanuel (EG the one known as Christ or the Mesiah in christian belief), I am not disputing these stories, I am however disputing that any of these religious books we're ever written by anyone but men.

I would never go as far as to deny that there is something unexpalainable that to me points towards a higher power and/or intelligence. Call it God if you will, call it Allah if you will, call it Jehovah if you will, call it YHWH if you will, call it the Elohim if you will.

I have discovered something - an example here > http://kd-mains.com/osama-bin-laden-revelations.htm that shows me (in a personal way) that there is definately something that is beyond the average persons understanding going on behind the scenes.

Yet I am not willing to accept that stories like those of Noah and his Ark are logically possible! This also applies to other stories from the Bible and the Quran alike.

The sayings of Mohammed we're collected by Aisha and likely his daughter Fatima and their brethen and followers and we're not compiled into a complete Quran until the third Kalif, in the same way the Bible was put together from various sources and was subsequently doctored by the Council of Constantinople and the Nicene Council.

To say the Quran has not changed is not strictly true as there is still the factor thta it was pieced together from various sources and not standardized until the third Kalif.

The same can be said about the Bible. It began as Hebrew, and in the English language was translated from Greek and Latin sources, mainly Greek if I am not mistaken.

Then there is the factor that Latin and Ladin are the same as Ladino in some resepcts given colloquail variations and Ladino is Latin based with a Hebraic origin.

Let's not forget Hiram who Solomon called upon had a Navy in Tarshish (Spain) and Hirm although Phoenicean was also from the tribe of Naphtali (Naphtalim), in the same way I am descended from Manasseh son of Joseph (Guiseppe) and Asenath (Asenath being Egyptian and daughter of the high priest of ON).

Mohammed in using the name Gabriel, even though Mohammed could not read nor write they say has taken info from the Hebrew Tanakh which is in essence what the Old Testamant is.

This being "changed" in the same way Arabic things can be changed due to things having more than one meaning in their essence.

That does not mean the Quran after it was originally written was changed as such it means it has been interpreted differently.

The Old Testament has many passages that like the Quran come acorss as extremist in the interpretation. I believe Mohammed drew from this and used the Hebrew oral tradition the Talmud to relay his interpretation of things to firstly the pagan Arabs and subsequently wherever the commentary was relayed.

 

I really like the way you incorporate my name in your posting

I must say that your religion knowledge is far grater than mine in many ways. I absolutely agree that all the religion books are written by man because i don't believe in the existences of God. All the religion writings are purely fiction and many of the stories in religion writings are based on Pagan gods thousands of years before Jesus existed. For example a pagans god in Egypt mother was also a virgin when she gave birth to him, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles just like Jesus did. Also he was killed in the same way and got resurrected afterwords. I really don't pay much attention on the hidden codes of the bible and i believe that if your looking for hidden codes you can find them in any other book.

 

Does that mean when changed correctly the true Quran will bring the day of Judjement....the sooner the better is what we believe.

 

The Quran is written by Muslims People but it is the word of Allah

and you mentioned some name, well, let me clear to you lot of people translate the quran, but no one changed not a single word, like bible, Bible changed time to time, but not Quran,

the word of Quran is still same like 1400 ago.

for detail visit here, http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...agename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah/LSELayout if you really willing to learn about it

 

So you are saying hearsay crap like the following nonsense is the word of God/Allah are you?

18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Hatta itha balaghamaghriba alshshamsi wajadaha taghrubu fee AAaynin hami-atinwawajada AAindaha qawman qulna ya thaalqarnayni imma an tuAAaththiba wa-imma antattakhitha feehim husnan


That is the same sort of second hand hearsay mythical story telling you find in the Bible

How you and your friends have the audacity to say it is the word of God is beyond me

There ia a Surah somewhere that states the Sun came after plants, again hearsay, and Muslims use such examples to say the Quran has more scientific facts in than the Bible

A heads up for you

A fact is something that can be proved not some claptrap hearsay with no evidence to back the story up

The Sun does not set in a murky spring of water - or do you believe this rubbish?

 

Unfortunate for you, this deal with before already at this site here. Try better next time.

 

Not unfortunate for me awinsjclarke if you wish to believe hearsay nonsense that is your concern LOL

The last point in that story in the link says Hares do not eat grass! - since when?