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Is SEO Poisoning the Web?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by organicCyborg, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. #1
    Found an interesting blog post about SEO. Some of it seems over the top, but otherwise some good points are made.
    SEMrush
    Full article: Spammers, Evildoers, and Opportunists. He also wrote a great follow up article called SEO FAQ.

    Thoughts?
     
    organicCyborg, Oct 21, 2009 IP
    SEMrush
  2. seojohnny2009

    seojohnny2009 Peon

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    I dont think its right. Search engine optimizer are not scammers. They help website owners to achieve what they want. If website is live, but if website owners are not able to get what they need from there website, then it is of no use. SEO helps them to do so. This article author completely spoiling image of search engine optimizers.
     
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  3. bruceslogos

    bruceslogos Peon

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    You are right search engine optimizer are not scammers as it help them to promote the site as to gain revenue and get more visitors to the site. SEO is a great help for website owner
     
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  4. organicCyborg

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    I was especially fond of his last point, which is what I'll reply to you both with.

     
    organicCyborg, Oct 21, 2009 IP
  5. Perrow

    Perrow Well-Known Member

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    Of course we're poison. SEO'ers are like tobacco companies, we know we're making poison, but we'll never admit it...


    ... oops :eek:
     
    Perrow, Oct 21, 2009 IP
  6. seojohnny2009

    seojohnny2009 Peon

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    There are some seo who use black-hat...i can admit that they are spammers. But who use whitehat do what google loves, so how they can harm the web. Derek is spoiling seo business.
     
    seojohnny2009, Oct 21, 2009 IP
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    ambicapharma Peon

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    we are submitting irrelevant content in so many websites to increase back links. so users can not fins real information that he want.
     
    ambicapharma, Oct 22, 2009 IP
  8. Maximise

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    Rubbish. We help people get their websites found online. We simply provide a service that people can learn about if they so wish and do themselves, but many choose to outsource.

    SEOs are no more poison than web designers are.
     
    Maximise, Oct 22, 2009 IP
  9. magda

    magda Notable Member

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    The 'telling people about it' - IS seo
    A large part of it anyway.
    the other part is telling the person who made this 'beautiful, confident blahdeblah' stuff like not to do it all in flash, so that search engines can't see it.
     
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    Great post
     
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  11. lbrg

    lbrg Peon

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    #11

    Thank you for writing this. All the other posts that are barely english (aka seojohnny) and defending SEO, have no idea what they are talking about.

    My advice:

    Do not pay for SEO, do it yourself. Remember, you know what is best for your website, so why should you trust some weirdo who can't even comprehend what they're doing except trying to get traffic. If you hand your website over to someone else who does a poor job on SEO, ends up submitting your site to places which only harm the search results then you will have irreparable damage to your website reputation.
     
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    simpseo Active Member

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    He says that good advice is obvious - only it isn't. Some of the advanced aspects of SEO are far from obvious. It only becomes obvious when you take the time to learn about SEO. For many it is a steep learning curve.

    He says SEO is poisoning the web. What he is referring to is black hat SEO used by spammers. This does not lead me to conclude that the problem is with SEO, but the way it can be manipulated by some. There are a lot of things that are poisoning the web and I wouldn't include ethical SEO in that list.

    All this talk about "building a reputation" is rubbish, because it's not applicable to the vast majority of people who are promoting their sites. We can't all have a reputation - by its very nature reputation is only bestowed on a very small minority of people.

    I say that the article is nothing more than linkbait and doesn't put forth any valid arguments against the use of search engine optimisation.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2009
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  13. organicCyborg

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    It's not applicable to talk about building a reputation because you don't have one? It's not the nature of reputation to only be 'bestowed' on a few people. Reputation comes after a great service or product, not before.

    Only a small percentage of all sites on the internet are reputable, because only a small percent actually have quality.
     
    organicCyborg, Oct 22, 2009 IP
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    Everyone should really learn to do their own SEO before outsourcing it. You learn so much about how things work in the IM world by learning it. Outsource it when your busy and successful and the time to do it is costing you more money then paying for it.

    I have found a lot of supposed SEO people are scammers any ways. Most just read some articles and claim they are experts. Not to bag on you guys that are actually good at what you do but like everything 1 bad apple.
     
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    meetali Active Member

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    Yes I am agree with you Jericho33.
    1st of all SEO is very necessary day 2 day world because if you want to rank your website in google at the top level you have to do your best SEO part.
    And in right way good content and by good back links.
     
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    You are right search engine optimizer are not scammers as it help them to promote the site as to gain revenue and get more visitors to the site. 1st of all SEO is very necessary day 2 day world because if you want to rank your website in google at the top level you have to do your best SEO part.
     
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    The rate in which content is indexed is estimated to double every second in 2011
     
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    I hate spammers :( I got over 600 comments a day and it's such a pain removing the spam from the original comments.
     
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    At the end of the day, in Google's eyes, SEOs shouldn't exist. Sites should link to eachother naturally & in the end the cream will rise to the top.

    Then, along comes an SEO. He / She takes a site that should be on page 5 & artificially creates links to make the site APPEAR to be more popular & authoritative than it actually is. They are manipulating the SERPs.

    Then, when the sites that SHOULD be at the top see that this other medium quality site has hijacked their rankings - they go out & hire SEOs of their own.

    Link SPAM was born. . .
     
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    What others are thinking about SEO and the techniques they are using on, may be bad for SEOs. It is true that SEO makes you able to complete your goals with your web site. If in this web forest anyone making you much capable to do things in your own way, there should not be such issues to show off they are scammed.
     
    ravi246, Oct 23, 2009 IP