Is "PR" really per page or does the domain play a factor?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by MarketExpert, Mar 6, 2009.

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    Ok, if the homepage links to deep pages I understand the juice flows, but will a random page on "geocities" get a higher ranking than my brand new page?
     
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    Is "PR" really per page or does the domain play a factor?

    The PR of a URL is a function of the inbound links to that URL. Larry Page and Sergey Brin first discussed how this thing might be calculated while at Stanford in Section 2.1.1 of their paper called The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine. Google it and look for the stanford pdf (can't post a live link yet... I'm a newbie!) This was the blueprint of what was to become Google.

    While the formula for PR has likely been refined since then, it's likely still heavily based on this original concept.
     
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    Ok, if the homepage links to deep pages I understand the juice flows, but will a random page on "geocities" get a higher ranking than my brand new page?

    You cannot say one way or the other... The Geocities page could rank better than your page for one keyword phrase while your page can rank better than the Geocities page for another keyword phrase. There are no set rules like that.

    Google looks at over 200 different signals or ranking factors to determine how a URL ranks for a particular keyword phrase. PR is only one of those many factors that are considered.
     
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    Yes, I should have been clearer. My test was precise and the titles were the same, the keyword density was the same. An equal test.
     
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    There is no such thing really as an 'equal' test... There is no way to have all 200+ Google ranking factors for 2 different pages on two different domain have the exact same value. There are so many things that Google, for instance, is looking at that you don't know about, yet they affect rankings

    And I would be careful about jumping to conclusions by running a test with just 2 domains. If you have tested your theory with 30, 50, 100+ different domains then maybe it would be safe to start drawing conclusions. But there are so many unknowns with the ranking algorithms used by the various engines that a sample size of 2 is VERY unreliable.
     
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    I think that the overall domain name plays a role. If the domain has a lot of links, obviously it passes some link power to the other pages. I also think that internal links play a good part in the value of the overall domain power as well.
     
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    domain trust is a big factor

    internal page get link from home page
    if your internal page rank higer put your home page link in it and your hoem page replaces it within days.
    conclusion
    PR is per page
    but trust rank is assigned to DOMAIN
     
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    I would think page. After all it is called Page Rank, not site rank or domain rank. I have often seen internal pages with higher PR than the home page which would indicate that the PR is assigned to the individual page(s)
     
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    Domain trust is part of the ranking algorithm just like PR is... In fact, it's one of the few site level factors in the ranking algorithm like domain age. But it's not part of the PR calculation itself.
     
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    I think Google is good at picking up click activity now, so if users are searching particular pages, then I suspect Google validates these as part of the votes that help you to be scored, ranked and crawled more frequently I guess the key is that if you have good unique content that users love Google will crawl it, index it, rank it and users will love it and you are sitting in success.
     
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    Yep.. I'm pretty sure that even for organic listings in the SERPs, Google is likely considering things like click-thru-rate and bounce-back-rate in their algo. It gives them strong hints as to whether your page is relevant to the keyword searched on.

    If you rank on page 1 of the SERPs for keyword X and Google shows you in the organic results 1,000,000 times a month and no one ever clicks on your link OR they click on your link and 99.9% of the time they immediately bounce back to Google and click on a different link... it would be logical for them to see that as a strong signal that your page is NOT providing users what they are looking for when they search for that particular keyword phrase. It would then stand to reason that they would use this types of user behavior as signaling that your page is not relevant to the search phrase, and reduce your ranking over time for that keyword phrase.
     
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