Is permanently blocked account truly permanently blocked

Discussion in 'PayPal' started by hardjoko, Jun 5, 2012.

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    I made the ultimate mistake of not drawing my paypal balance fast enough. So they blocked my account with $9k dollar in it.

    They asked me to change password. I did. They asked me for photo id and utility bill.

    I don't have utility bill. I live in my parents' house. So I send them any bill I can find , which is an insurance bill, and my government issued photo id.

    Appeal denied. Account permanently blocked.

    I should have phoned their limitation department before sending those pictures. I told them, "we've been together for like years. No chargeback no refund perfect record. And then that's it you kicked me out?"

    The limited paypal department says, "yes", annoyingly.

    Well, I can still run my bizs without paypal with a lot of creativity. I can use banks to get money wired and stuff. I'll wait 180 days and I've heard people are getting paid anyway.

    However, if anyone knows any paypal employee with common sense that want to talk, please let me know.

    Note: Their official reason is some third party login to my paypal. I asked what the IP is and they don't want to tell. I thought they just want to seize the balance, but people with big balances told me that they get their money after 180 days. I do not think they do it for interests because interests are quite low. I think it's just plain right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
     
    hardjoko, Jun 5, 2012 IP
  2. Traditione

    Traditione Well-Known Member

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    Search Google for additional PayPal numbers to escalate the issues to higher ups.

    Make absolute sure everything is squeaky clean.

    Worse comes to worse, get a lawyer and have him send a letter.

    Unless you broke the law, it's your money, and you will be able to get it back either through PayPal's integrity as a business or through the court of law.
     
    Traditione, Jun 5, 2012 IP
  3. latebloomer

    latebloomer Peon

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    Have a look again at the terms and conditions that you agreed upon using PayPal. If you broke it and the policies are in place to deal with it, then all u can do is ask for reconsideration.
    There are several contact numbers to PayPal or go to their twitter account and ask whom you can contact.
    if you can get ur money in 180 days, I won't recommend a solicitor. It might take longer and waste more money.
     
    latebloomer, Jun 5, 2012 IP
  4. debays

    debays Member

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    it mean that you cannot register paypal again with same data.
    please choose another payment processor to your bussiness or you can register paypal again with different data.
    as i know, every body can register 1 personal account and 1 premier/bussiness account.
    i hope you understand with my explanation.
     
    debays, Jun 6, 2012 IP
  5. hardjoko

    hardjoko Active Member

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    Actually no. I've heard stories about paypal NOT returning the money after 180 days, making up some totally bogus issue. They made bogus issue with me ONCE. You think I will trust them that they'll return the money after 180 days?

    http://www.paypalsucks.com/PayPalFormerEmployee1.shtml

    Yes, the application process COULD be made more stringent, but it is felt (probably correctly) that a brand-new customer would certainly balk at doing things like sending in notorized copies of their driver's licence and so forth. So an "alternate strategy" for offsetting the charge-back losses slowly evolved at PP. It's the perfect scheme really; since PP can't usually catch the scammers and dosen't want to loose customer base by making things more stringent to start with- they decided to simply re-coup their chargebacks from the pockets (and accounts) of good, solid people under the easily-defensible and impossible-to-criticize guize of "Fraud Prevention and Enforcement".

    I'm amused by the posts that say, "But I've been a good customer of PP since the beginning and have paid thousands in fees.... why would they have done this to ME?" Let me answer that with a hypothetical question: If you were an unregulated financial services company so embittered by fraud losses that you, yourself, had completely lost whatever moral compass you might have once possessed, what would YOU rather have: a happy, content customer whos business might account for $5000 worth of fees over the next 10 years, or a person who's pissed off and will NEVER do business with you again, BUT you've got his $5000 up-front, TODAY- siezed directly out of his account with no appeal possible. Believe me, it's a no-brainer to these people. They have sort of developed a wierd corporate mindset wherein their past (and ongoing) victomization at the hands of con-artists somehow gives them license to "pass it along" to others. Think the E-Bay purchase will make it all better? Guess again. If ANY company knows the reality of on-line schermes and scams, it's E-Bay. While they certainly know that a nice chunk of their fees come from people who ultimately turn out to be thieves (but hey... their money is just as green as that of the honest folks) do you think E-Bay wants to open THEMSELVES (or a subsidary company) up to the same risks as their bidders are exposed to? No way.

    Even if the person paying you has NOT used a stolen credit card, he could have been been flagged by PP as "somebody to keep an eye on" for any one of numerous reasons. If he does business with YOU, especially multiple times- you're frozen. OCCASIONALLY some lucky soul will complain about the siezure, and when the case is "investigated" by PP he is "cleared" and the money unfrozen. This good fortune has nothing to do with an actual "investigation" (there aren't any, really). Pay-Pal WILL unfreeze a small percentage of the accounts (as a future defense against a potential class action), so you MAY benefit from a simple luck of the draw. See, if it ever comes down to a massive class-action lawsuit, or even testimony before the SEC or other regulatory body, PP wants to be able to stand up in court and say "But your honor, we DON'T just freeze accounts and pocket the money. We really DO perform a painstaking investigation. Here's the proof... look at all these people who WERE suspected, but were then cleared by our "crack security staff"! If this was really a scam, why would we have given all of THIS this money back?"
     
    hardjoko, Jun 6, 2012 IP