. Fair point. I scanned the thread. I might have missed its reference somewhere but Andy Martin is the guy spearheading this question about Obama's birth certificate. He is off the wall and has a brutal reputation within courts as the bringer of endless nuisance cases of no merit. Beyond that in real life he seems to be missing a few screws. I was wondering why I hadn't seen mention of this in the news beyond this thread. I suspect all media have written this guy off.
The Petition for a Writ of Mandamus - this nutjob's attempt to get the Supreme Court to compel the lower court to compel the State of Hawaii to release Obama's private vital record - was denied. This was the Supreme Court of Hawaii's order, so it's dead, whatever is heard tomorrow. Very likely, in so many words, Ayabe's court will tell Mr. Martin, the Petitioner, to get a life, legally speaking. Because there are a million frivolous lawsuits filed by whackjobs like Martin, all the time. Martin was the originator and early steward of the infamous, viral, "Obama the Muslim terrorist" smear. With this lawsuit, he is joined by Berg, and many other Petitioners who don't have a chance in hell of subverting the election to their peculiar designs.
Yea, after reading up a little on Martin from your link, I'm pretty sure that's why there hasn't been any mention of it. My dog has a better reputation as a lawyer than Martin does...
The question about Obama's birth place has already been settled by the courts. And there you have it. The information above can be found at www.lanlamphere.com . . .
Kinda funny how "The Court" made all these findings when to my knowledge "The Court" Never heard the case. It was dismissed claiming Berg was in no direct harm. Please someone correct me if im wrong. The court never made a ruling on any of bergs claims
You will need to wait until end of the world for something like that coming from debunked. I can bet everything I own on that!
We have all seen what the court stated, and that was that berg couldn't make such a request because he was not in direct harm. They didnt even hear his case. Unless there's a real source to back this,(and if it is id love to see it) otherwise, it looks like someones ramblings / wishful thinking.
That's what I'm asking. Is this a credible source or not. And if not, what is the source that they got their information from.... Just trying to track the story to it's source. It's kinda like the opposite of what you guys do when you base your suspicions on youtube videos.
I dont know, i hope it is for real, I hope i am wrong, I hope Obama turns out to be a great president. Guess we will see
If you read the thread at all you would realize I wasn't arguing anything in the thread. Again you made yourself out to be a fool and no one had to help you any.
It's your typical tactic: I'm have no fucking clue what it is all about but I hate those guys so I will post some retarded comment trying to be witty and to inslut everyone who doesn't think like you: You don't make fool of yourself every single day. You are 100% natural born fool.
2008 presidential candidate Alan Keyes has files a 'natural born' lawsuit, so we will see if this overcomes the issue of 'standing and interest' At this point, I beleive that an investigative reporter or journalist would have a better angle on investigating the matter. I wondering why no one has come forward and made a statement that they visited little Barry Obama in the maternity ward or saw him come home from the hospital. Obama does not wish to disclose the hospital of birth or the attending doctor. Why?
No more so than when this gadfly tried it against John McCain in Robinson v. McCain, et al: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/3:2008cv03836/206145/39/ Which itself relied on Hollander, a case I've discussed many times in this thread. These paltry attempts to subvert the election will go nowhere. The Supreme Court has already spoken quite clearly.
Just quoting this to mark yet another backpedal. Ahh the fond memories of how this very sentence used to be "Obama hasn't released his BC. Why?"..... It then became, Obama hasn't released his vault copy BC. Why?". Now, after both of those statements have been proven to be ridiculous it's all about the hospital and attending doctor? I'm seriously considering adding an amendment to the Wikipedia page for backpedaling and citing this as an exquisite example
Well, im still saying Obama hasn't released hi BC, and he hasn't, not to anyone with the expertise to validate its originality. so don't reminisce too much, those fond memories of the past, are still the present.
Ahh, I will accept that and note the new added on "qualifier" at the end (it used to be just to a court) "not to anyone with the expertise to validate its originality." It's no longer that he just needs to release it. It's no longer that he just needs to release it to a court. It has to be to someone with "expertise". Because.... the state of Hawaii, who happens to be the issuing authority, doesn't have any expertise at all in this matter.
No George i have always said it should be someone with some level of expertise, please review the thread. I may have used "court" alone in previous comments, but i have also stated that the "court" would use experts to determine its validity. Like i said earlier, i don't care about the citizenship, my main point has always been the fact that there should at least be an official investigation. I feel it is not an unreasonable request, considering Obamas previous residences. And i stand by that firm, whether he is a citizen or not. And no, one person saying "its the real deal" without presenting it for review, is not enough. Its called hearsay if im not mistaken. It wouldn't hold in a court of law, its not gonna hold for me.
It's not hearsay if the issuing authority certifies it. I see your point and I'll raise you mine...... My point is that, it is the definition of loopy, to demand that the same state government agency that certified the one you've already seen release the vault copy that they based their certification on. As if it's going to be any different. It's - the - same - people. What is there to investigate? You don't have a single shred of substantial evidence to investigate. You do realize that the only ACTUAL EVIDENCE in this case to investigate happens to be evidence that Obama WAS born in Hawaii, don't you? As evidenced in the court's decision to dismiss Berg's clams..... Berg (to the court): AH HA! Look he provided a birth certificate and it's FAKE. Court: Umm... no, the issuing authority has already certified it's not.... But to be fair, do you have any "evidence"? Berg: Uhhhh.... Court: Mr. Berg, did you just come into our courtroom to present evidence of your case with no actual evidence? Berg: Well... uhh.... Look at this YOUTUBE video! Court: ........... Berg: Well we heard, that someone had said, that maybe they read on a blog, that his sister mentioned 2 different hospitals! Court: Mr. Berg this is a court of law. We require evidence here. Berg: Well I don't have any of your fancy evidence. Excuuuuuuse ME! Court: Get Out.