Is Obama A Natural Born Citizen?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by simplyg123, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. damian.hoffman

    damian.hoffman Peon

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    #741
    Right, and if you were paying attention a few posts ago, I pointed out that Obama already has BOTH of these things. So, he has provided proof of citizenship, that has been reviewed by at least two government agencies. These are required by the government, which I have provided myself without complaint. I was obviously referring to the demands from private citizens for this information just because they don't believe him. And in a situation like that, I would not provide my personal information.
     
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  2. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #742
    To be completely honest as taxpayers and citizens i believe we should have every right to request such documents as birth certificates, social security cards, etc... Just as any employer has the right to request the same of his employees. It is tax payers after all that put him in office, and it is tax payers that pay his salary.
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #743
    Oh, I was paying attention. Thats why I said it. You don't need to present a BC in this country to get a license and passport if you are from another country. I mean Obama could just have easily presented a foreign drivers license to get one here, and same goes for the Passport. That's how my grandfather obtained both of his, after of course gaining citizenship here. No US BC was necessary.

    And the "requests", not demands of the private citizens of this country, ARE the requests (not demands) of the US government. We are the government, and as such have as much right to request such proof as the federal government or any other agency and or official as well.
     
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  4. LogicFlux

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    #744
    So when Obama takes office, does the argument that illegal aliens are driving down wages and taking jobs from working class Americans go down the shitter?
     
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  5. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #745
    We have 2 really concerned citizens in this thread. :rolleyes:

    Only it seems their main concern is to say anything that makes people question Obama's integrity....

    I have 2 questions for the people with questions :D

    Concern 1: Why doesn't just Obama produce a vault copy of his birth certificate.

    Why doesn't any government agency with a valid reason request that document from the STATE? They are the keepers of and are responsible for that copy. Why aren't you outraged at them?

    Oh wait... we already know the answer to that. Because that doesn't help you make this about Obama. Which is all you really want to do. Sad fact is that ANY agency with a valid reason can request his vault copy at any time. Can you please stop with the fake concern now?

    Only reason we're still here in this thread is because you're morally bankrupt to the point that you can't even admit this was just another failed attempt to attack Obama's character. And so we continue this ridiculous argument, round and round.

    It's OK to admit you failed and move on.

    Concern 2: I'm just really concerned that Obama didn't turn over his birth certificate during a nuisance lawsuit.

    Why do you believe OBAMA himself didn't hand over his BC? Is it somehow your belief that Obama defended himself in court? Is it your belief that he was even there??

    Obama himself had NOTHING to do with the trial. His lawyers handled it while Obama was dealing with issues of actual substance on the campaign trail.

    So the argument that this has anything to do with Obama's character has always been laughable to me. He didn't even make the decision. WE probably know more about this case than he does. This was a nuisance lawsuit. His lawyers handled it.
     
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    #746
    None of the 50 states asks for birth certificates or long-term residency documents to prove that a candidate qualifies for a spot on the ballot

    http://www.slate.com/id/2203346/

    It appears from your reaction concerning Obama's birth certificate that you have some doubts in your mind.
     
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  7. GeorgeB.

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    #747
    No, sorry. I can see the real (and validated by the state of Hawaii) birth certificate right here along with his birth announcement in a Hawaiian local newspaper. Unfortunately you are the only one here with fake concern. :(

    So are we back to you actually believing he was not born in the U.S.? We can have that argument AGAIN but you'll just backpedal down to being "concerned" about why HE doesn't just release a vault copy :rolleyes:.

    But then I just addressed that and informed you that ANY government agency with a valid reason can request his vault copy from the state of Hawaii.....

    *puts on tin foil* - Yes Obama just ran for POTUS for the past 2 years and did everything he did knowing that all anyone had to do was request a vault copy of his birth certificate and he'd be FOUND OUT because it doesn't exist..... Oh yeah and the state of Hawaii verified the BC I just linked to is a true and certified copy based on a vault copy that doesn't exist. :rolleyes:

    Please make up another reason to feign concern. This is getting silly.
     
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  8. damian.hoffman

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    #748
    It only took 38 pages to become silly? :D
     
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  9. GeorgeB.

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    LOL, well yeah it was kinda silly from page one. But the entire time I thought I was having a discussion with people who actually believed what they were saying....

    Apparently it took me until page 34 to begin to realize that is not the case. :D
     
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    #750
    Don't you think instead of posting this you could have been out on or before election day. I must say ur a little to late. So posting stuff about the president elect is not going to change anything it is just going to make people angry and what we should be doing is preparing for the next 4 years and how we can make sure this doesn't happen again. Just because voting goes array one time for us doesn't mean we should just wait. Presidential races happen every 4 years, what about locally??? Do something about it, don't just talk!
     
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  11. damian.hoffman

    damian.hoffman Peon

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    #751
    I think people looked at the LAST 4 years prior to the elections, which is why Obama got elected. ;)
     
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    #752
    I've made it clear that there is a difference between the vault copy of the birth certificate and the computer generated short version.

    The vault copy contains information such as the attending doctor, hospital and witnesses.

    Obama's refusal to provide the vault copy of his birth certificate makes it look like he is hiding something.
     
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  13. GeorgeB.

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    And I've made it clear that the vault copy of the birth certificate is there for the asking. All any government agency has to do is request it from the state of Hawaii. Just because no government agency has gone to the state of Hawaii and requested it does not mean that Obama is hiding it.

    I've also made it clear that to do so is actually a moot point because the state of Hawaii has already verified the computer generated short version is a legit copy.

    Now... read this question slowly...... Do you think the state of Hawaii would verify the computer generated short version of the birth certificate if the vault copy of the birth certificate didn't exist?

    You can keep saying Obama refuses all you like, but what you REALLY should be "concerned" about is why this nutjob Berg filed a frivolous lawsuit against Obama in the middle of the presidential race instead of the STATE OF HAWAII?.... You know... the ones that actually HAVE the vault copy.

    But I think you already know the answer to that now don't you ;)
     
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    #754
    Some more avoidance and downplay :D

    Yes ... Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate.

    The question is whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii. As I've stated before, there's a loophole in Hawaii law that allows parents to obtain a birth certificate for their foreign born children.

    This is what a vault copy of a Hawaii birth certificate looks that. Notice that Birthplace (see #11) can be a FOREIGN COUNTRY.:eek:

    The vault copy also contains the signature of the attending doctor and the hospital.

    ....

    [​IMG]
     
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    #755
    But, I thought the question was .... "OMG Barack Obama REFUSES to release his vault copy".

    Look if you're going to just keep changing back and forth between the same 2 debunked points whenever I ask you a question you can't answer why not just stop now?

    So just so we're clear on how much you've backpedaled, you are no longer disputing the following.

    1) Barack Obama has a birth certificate.
    2) Barack Obama's short form birth certificate has been certified by the state of Hawaii.
    3) Because his short form electronic birth certificate has been certified you concede that (obviously) the vault copy DOES exist.

    So I'm just trying to keep up with your acrobatics here.... you're now at the bottom of the barrel and saying that you STILL want to see the vault copy because maybe (*fingers and toes crossed*) just maybe... his vault copy will list a different place of birth than the electronic copy ISSUED AND CERTIFIED BY THE SAME PLACE??????

    For the record... you are stating that hey... maybe when the state of Hawaii came out publicly and certified that the electronic copy you see here is legit they just FORGOT to mention that... oh yeah by the way, block #11 on the vault copy we have says AFRICA!

    Jesus Christ dude.... are you serious?
     
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    #757
    OK bogus, I'm going to ask you a serious question....

    Have you considered that the reason BOX #11 has Foreign Country as an option is because you can still be born in a foreign country and be legally classified as as natural born citizen just like... oh I dunno... John McCain?? :eek:

    (LOL @ how I used the eek smiley like you did when you pointed that out :D Sorry, I'm easily entertained.... :()

    Did they sit on the board of the State of Hawaii?

    HAHAHAHAHAH, wtf does that have to do with the ridiculous argument you're trying to make that the state of Hawaii forgot to tell everyone when they certified his birth certificate is valid that his vault copy says Kenya??

    Come on bogus!!
     
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    #758
    John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone which was US Terrority at the time. McCain's parents were also natural born citizens.
     
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    #759
    Do you purposely ignore questions because they're embarrassing or???

    P.S. in block #11 what would you classify Panama as? An island or a state?

    Come on bogus!! Don't give up. Barack is laughing at you :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    #760
    The U. S. Supreme Court will review Berg's Writ of Certiorari on December 1, 2008.

    Obama can make this all go away by releasing the vault copy of his birth certificate.

    No :)
     
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