Is Jesus God? IMO no. He is the manifestation of God though..

I dont wanna talk bout this anymore. But for you guys who think that Jesus is God, son of God or watever. I dont care. I just hope that Allah will give you guys the path to the truth.

Peace from me

 

But is that not the same thing?

 

Msyaz, you have your beliefs and we have ours. In the bible itself jesus calls himself god by proclaiming "I AM". The beauty of this earth is that each person is entitled to their opinion. Why dont we instead try to come together through some of the same traits all of our religions share . Wouldnt that be more productive?

 

I'm sorry if i hurt anyone here in any way. Lets live in peace

 

I'm not sure that is possible. Its just an internet forum.

 

You will find many of us to be peaceful, both on the internet and in life. I don't agree with you on your beliefs, but as long as your beliefs don't bring harm to my family, you will find me welcoming you peacefully.

Would I let menji in my house? No way. Reading his blog gave me insight that would tell me to defend my household from him.

 

So Christian believe in 3 gods?

 

4 if you count Satan.

 

Christians believe in only one God, albeit one of a triune nature: God the Father, God the Son (incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth), and God the Holy Spirit. Satan or Lucifer is a banished angel, not a God.

 

Semantics. If you define a God as the ultimate supreme power you would be correct. If you define a God as a supernatural being that has dominion over some aspect of reality, well you have at least two there and I would count an Avatar as another. Speaking of Avatars, nice Cross of Ages you have there. What Satan is in the bible is pretty debatable. I prefer the concept in the book of Job. An accuser, sent by God. Maybe you can clear this up for me. I was led to believe that angels did not have free will and so if any sort of mutiny of heaven was to occur it would have to be willed by God. The name Lucifer seems misplaced to me as well. Is light good or evil?

 

No, we believe in one God, the trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Satan, "Lucifer" was an Angel, not a God.

 

There is certainly a pecking order. However, this does not diminish Jesus' authority as God. There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All have jobs and things that they do, they are all equally God to us. The trinity can be a tricky thing, but if you read the bible you will quickly realize that Jesus has the authority of being God.

If you would like another source, read the first chapter of John. Particularly focus on verse 1 and verse 14.

 

This is contradicting . so they are 3 . ( a son of god should be a god ) , and this is not logical .

Yes there is One only GOD , and he dont have Sons , Father , or Mother , he is Unique .

Jesus is a Prophet of God : who had a noble message to the world in this epoque

For the rest I agree .

Freindly
TR

 

If you are totally confused on the trinity, I would encourage you to go to the link below and watch video. He takes a relative approach to what it is and puts a definition with it as well. It might clear some things up.

http://www.marshillchurch.org/sermonseries/doctrine/

 

Most things in life are contradictory or difficult to understand, or just defy logic.

The best I can explain is that God is three persons, but one being. If that makes sense.

 

Please give let's say 5 scriptures that say Jesus is the Father...

Isaiah 9:6 refers to Jesus as the Eternal Father because he (Jesus) is the one resurecting the ones listening to his (Jesus) voice from the memorial tombs, according to his Father's will (God Almigthy).

God Almighty, the Father, resurected the Son, Jesus.
in turn Jesus will resurect righteous and unrigteous according to the Father's will.

Jesus once again does his Father's will.

Scriptures:
Matt 7:21 Doing the Father's will enters Kingdom of Heaven
Luke 22:42 Let your will (Father) take place, not mine (Son)
John 5:28 all in tombs will hear his voice (Jesus)

Acts 24:15 resurection of righteous AND unrighteous

 

We cannot say it's a "mystery", it's a matter of "Faith", if you ask questions you are "weak".

This would go AGAINST what the Bible teaches (once again using scripture to answer)

Acts 17:11 The boreans were MORE noble minded because they received the Word with the greatest eagerness of mind and EXAMINED daily to see if these things (paul was teaching) were SO.

God wants and expects you to CHECK CHECK CHECK to see if it REALLY is so.

if it was a Mystery that we cannot understand why would God view the Boreans as more Noble minded even though they were checking the scriptures to see if aul was accurate...

in Matt 11:25 Jesus says: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and intellectual people and showed it to the children.

This means that it is no mystery. Even children can get it. It DOES NOT mean that you cannot be smart to understand, but if you COMPLICATE it, you're going the wrong way.

I can imagine Jesus grabbing a stick and drawing the diagram above in the sand to explain to Peter, John etc what the Trinity is...

Show the scripture, from the Bible, not a graphic from a book of intellectual and "educated" authorities that explains the Trinity...
Thank U