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Is it true that the last Prophet was a Pedophile ?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by CosmicRay, May 2, 2007.

  1. Mr_2

    Mr_2 Peon

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    #81
    As said before you can not judge a religion like islam just by someones behavior. Keep in mind some people abusing religion to their own benefites,

    That web site you mantioned is a zionist web site which only do anti islma propaganda and simple kids like you fall on thier traps...
    ;)
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #82
    That's how we in the civilized world judge people -- by their behavior.

    As you appear only willing to listen to Islamist hate propaganda, I don't see you ever improving your mind and your life.

    Until you put your moronic and blinding racism behind you, you will never be able to see reasonable solutions to the problems which face the world.

    How old are you? You sound like a little kid.
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #83
    They are individually spread out through the quran. But in the hadith, they are pulled together as the five pillars of islam.

    Actually, I can, and I do. It's one thing, IF the "tiny minority" plattitude most often used were true, but it's not a "tiny minority." It's a world wide problem.

    Speaking of al-taqiyya, now seems like the perfect moment for a refresher course in the art of kitman. Perhaps you have not heard of that name either?

    Which one of these is your favorite, Mr_2?
     
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  4. Ratman2050

    Ratman2050 Well-Known Member

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    #84
    1. I am not really aware of this but, I can tell you, it is allowed to have up to 4 wives.

    2. A War Monger, please.. I have read and have had teachers tell me that the Prophet (S) did not lift his sword up in battle once.

    3. Stole his teachings? From where? Please be more specific, if someone stole 1,000$ your going to ask from who, not just "He stole $1,000 lets get it back!". Prophet did not steal teachings, because his was the only Religion at the time, other than Christianity which he perceived after his revelation to Prophethood. Also, do you not know about the Quran? Where do you think he stole that text from? Also he learned all of his teachings from the Quran, so you have to be saying that someone wrote the Quran beforehand, then the Prophet stole it (Forgive me for saying that), and he spread it. And the Prophet learned his teachings from the Quran, and the Prophet did not write the Quran, God did.

    4. I am not sure where you go that from, but it is against Islam to force someone into submission, and murder is against Islam, surely you cannot call a Prophet a murderer...

    I also want to let you know that terrorists, are not Muslims. Sure they believe they are, but in God's eyes I think not.
    If there was a Christian terrorist, you would probably say that he is not Christian, he thinks he is but he is not.
    Let's leave the matter to religion to God please.

    I don't want to start a flame war at all please, just clarifying some things. thanks!

    And Mr.2 I am glad you are supporting Islam, but try not to be so ill mannered. Respond questions politely, not by posting profane pictures that you should not be looking at in the first place.
     
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  5. Mr_2

    Mr_2 Peon

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    #85
    here is your full answer.

    In the first place, I would like to state that your question is intriguing. It is really nice to touch on words that encompass different aspects of things.

    Let us now jump to the core of your question and hit the pin on the head. In reality, the word kitman comes from the verb katama, which means to hide, to conceal.

    As it appears from the different English equivalents of the word, it touches on so many aspects - some of which are good and others are bad.

    Starting with the good aspects, we can say that a good type of kitman (concealment or hiding) is when you hide things still in process till they are complete. In our life, we may meet people who look with a malevolent eye to what we have, who are jealous that we have this and that, who are envious that we are blessed with this and that. Driven by their envy, hatred and dark intentions, they may plot for us or weave some traps. In order to be saved from their traps, we should keep hush-hush on things that are still in preparation. To this type of hiding, kitman is the best policy. In this regard, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says in the hadith: “Seek fulfillment for things you want to finish inkitman.”

    He himself gave the best example of such a type in the early days of Islam. When the number of Muslims was still small and the community was still weak, there was a big need for concealment or secret call (kitman) so as to save the cause of da`wah (inviting people to Islam) from the fierce enemies.

    When migrating to Madinah, no one was aware of the time of the Prophet’s departure from Makkah except two individuals - his Companion and fellow traveler Abu Bakr, and their guide Ibn Urayqit. Of course, it helped them a lot to get saved from the traps of the pagans.

    Kitman is of much greater importance when we realize that it is a type of trust. When one discloses some of his secrets to you and asks you to keep them secret from others, then it is your duty to keep them secret as required by that person. Even between the two spouses, they have to practice kitman, i.e. they are in no way allowed to talk to others about the details or generalities of their conjugal life or intimate relations. Kitman may extend to cover the secrets of the whole state at the time of war and peace where a person who is loyal to his people cannot divulge to anyone or tell the enemy about his country’s affairs.

    Now, let’s turn to the bad type of kitman, namely, withholding or hiding. An example of this type is the image of a person whom Allah has gifted with knowledge so as to benefit people with it. However, such a person practices the kitman of knowledge by hiding it. To such type of people the Prophet hints in one of his hadiths in which he states that their knowledge will be like a bridle for them in Hell.

    Another ignominy of ignominies is that type of people whom Allah gives wealth and properties. Yet, they practice kitman of money, by withholding zakah and not offering charity. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, warns them: “Whomever Allah gives money but refrains from paying the zakah on it. This money will turn into a big snake, on the Day of Judgment, which will seize him by cheeks saying, ‘I am your money, I am your treasure’” Stinginess is thus a type of kitman, as is clear from the above. Hoarding goods and forcing people to buy them at high prices is also a type of kitman which should never be the trait of a Muslim.

    The word, in its pure sense of a word, never stops to generate new meanings. It echoes in the mind and gives life to images hidden in the back corridors of the memory. But this is language, words from words.

    Hope this helps you, and your feedback is much appreciated!

    Thank you so much for your question, and please keep in touch.

    source www.islamonline.net
     
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  6. Mr_2

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    #86
    :D poor you. Angry at me? oh oh :D

    I know why. because you got owned by a kid (me)

    Thats why you so angry . Not your fault i know why...


    You judge people then not a religion?!! :rolleyes:

    your own words!
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #87
    I don't see a lot of Christian terrorists...

    I don't see a lot of Hindu terrorists...

    I don't see a lot of Buddhist terrorists...

    I do see a lot of Muslim terrorists -- that tells me that there is something wrong with that religion. Islam encourages it's followers to behave like bloodthirsty savages. That is a serious problem with that religion.

    You can blame your behavior on the Jewish media all you want, but don't expect any reasonable person to take you seriously.
     
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  8. Ratman2050

    Ratman2050 Well-Known Member

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    #88
    True, you don't see many Christian, Hindu, Buddhist terrorists, and that is a good thing for everyone. There is nothing wrong with the religion, but most people from Islam are living in a third world nation (uneducated some). Look at Bush, he destroyed Iraq, and extremists are opposing against him (which is very wrong).

    I understand what your trying to infer Will, but I just don't want everyone to think Islam is bad.
     
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  9. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #89
    No, he was a coward who convinced other people to commit murder on his behalf.

    In your cult, what do they teach you about Abu Afak, Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, Uqba ibn Abi Muait, or Asma Bint Marwan and her children?
     
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  10. Valley

    Valley Peon

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    #90
    But we make it so easy for them.
    Some of our actions breed terrorism. Invading countries.
    Weapons of mass destructions etc .
    Most of these pople are poor and don't even have a pot to go on.
    It is only natural that they retalitae in the only ways they have left.
    Most of our Middle East problems are self inflicted
     
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  11. Mr_2

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    #91
    umm stay on topic plz! why you jump from one side to another !!
    :rolleyes:
    You get owned on 1 topic then you jump to another topic etc...

    Those your false accusation does not change anything!

    islam is a religion of peace!

    You just got brain washed by "wrong group of media" on your early ages.
    Thats why i like to help you.

    I like you because you are a humen being!
    I don't wanna see you and people like you live in darkness and your heart full of haterade!

    I know you suffer deep inside from hidden pain and haterade against muslims and islam. You think they are in wrong time in wrong place and the worst people in the wórld. but those things are pushed into your brain by wrong media groups.

    Love is the greatest gift god gived us!

    Open your eyes and heart and see the true world .

    why hate and suffer when you can love and enjoy!?
     
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    ly2 Notable Member

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    #92
    Exactly GT, it's not ALL moozlems, only some.
    :D
     
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  13. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #93
    Quit spewing idiocy. No one wants "help" from a lunatic.

    You haven't "owned" anyone -- you can't seem to manage to maintain a single chain of thoughts for more than a few moments. Have you talked to your doctor about Ritalin?

    No Jewish conspiracy convinced me that there is something wrong with Islam -- extremely poor behavior from Islamists convinced me that there is something wrong with Islam.

    You are a horrible advocate for Islam, as you keep spewing racist comments and as you believe that Islam is somehow immune to being held responsible for the evil that it creates.

    I will learn to love and enjoy Muslims once they learn to love and enjoy:
    • Jews
    • Israel
    • Homosexuals
    • Pornographers
    • Drug users
    • Hindus
    • India
    • Buddhists
    • Adulterers
    • Atheists
     
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  14. Mr_2

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    #94
    :rolleyes:

    So you want other to be like you?

    but reality is you can not expect other to be like you and enjoy things you do and enjoy....

    People are diffrent. they think diffrent they behave diffrent and they even look diffrent!

    So you want muslims to be gay, use drugs,spend their feee time watching porno movies and be adulterers!!!
    :rolleyes:

    omg hahah :D
     
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  15. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #95
    Yep, after clearly being shown in the same hadith collections that comprise the five pillars of islam, that aisha herself noted the consumation of their marriage at age nine, he quickly tried to change the subject by introducing images/new topic. And has worked hard to keep the topic off the initial subject since.

    Looks to me like he is embarrassed. allah would not be pleased. Same tactical denial, same strategies.
     
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    #96
    Now that we are back on topic, I would like to ask all the Muslims out there if they would happily give their 6 to 9 year old to a 54 year old pervert?
     
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    #97
    You question is loaded:D

    Try this:

    Now that we are back on topic, I would like to ask all the Muslims out there if they would happily give their 6 to 9 year old to a 54 year old prophet?:)
     
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    #98
    One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life.
    He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin.
    One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children.
    He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion.
    He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way.
    Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child.
    He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #99
    Because you are a moron and don't know how to look. :rolleyes:
     
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    #100
    Care to post links to these christian & hindu freedom fighters, terrorists killing people in the name of religion?
     
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